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Compared to a computer program, no matter how complex, a human being cannot be 'copied', 'stopped', 'restored' or 'improved'. Not as yet, anyway. As long as th

Compared to a computer program, no matter how complex, a human being cannot be 'copied', 'stopped', 'restored' or 'improved'. Not as yet, anyway. As long as this remains true, how could a computer program compare to human beings, even if gets to where it's considered 'AGI'? It's just a tool which can be tinkered with, just like a car or a building.

coldtea 4y ago
>a human being cannot be 'copied', 'stopped', 'restored' or 'improved'. Not as yet, anyway Can't it? A human's thoughts and ideas can be lossly copied via communication. It can also trivially be stopped (chemically induced anesthesia or death will do). And of course a human has had the ability to be improved since day one. >It's just a tool which can be tinkered with, just like a car or a building. Well, unlike a building it's a tool that can e.g. order a nuclear strike, or talk to someone and convince them to kill themselves: https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkadgm/man-dies-by-suicide-after-talking-with-ai-chatbot-widow-says https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkadgm/man-dies-by-suicide-a... And that's crude current LLMs, not AGI.
- indigoabstract 4y ago
  In that sense, yes, but I meant replication. You can't bring a human being back to life the way you can do with a computer program. And no, cloning is not the same thing, as you would lose the 'state', so to speak. > Well, unlike a building it's a tool that can e.g. order a nuclear strike, or talk to someone and convince them to kill themselves: Well, I remember people blaming the Columbine shooting on Doom and other shooting games, so this is not entirely new either.
  - coldtea 4y ago
    >You can't bring a human being back to life the way you can do with a computer program. And no, cloning is not the same thing, as you would lose the 'state', so to speak. That's an extra feature of an AGI though, not something lacking... So can't be used as an argument why AGI will be "just a tool". It could just as well be "like a human but rebootable and copyable" (as opposed "rebootable and copyable, thus not human-like").
    - indigoabstract 4y ago
      I think our consciousness and being non-copyable is what makes us unique, if not necessarily valuable. I fully expect an AGI will be able to mimic our intelligence enough to accomplish and adapt to different real world tasks, but I would be surprised it ever becomes self-aware, so like us. I feel that is not the same thing as intelligence. But, I suppose it cannot be ruled out, since we don't fully understand what self-awareness is..

coldtea 4y ago

>a human being cannot be 'copied', 'stopped', 'restored' or 'improved'. Not as yet, anyway Can't it? A human's thoughts and ideas can be lossly copied via communication. It can also trivially be stopped (chemically induced anesthesia or death will do). And of course a human has had the ability to be improved since day one. >It's just a tool which can be tinkered with, just like a car or a building. Well, unlike a building it's a tool that can e.g. order a nuclear strike, or talk to someone and convince them to kill themselves: https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkadgm/man-dies-by-suicide-after-talking-with-ai-chatbot-widow-says https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkadgm/man-dies-by-suicide-a... And that's crude current LLMs, not AGI.

indigoabstract 4y ago
In that sense, yes, but I meant replication. You can't bring a human being back to life the way you can do with a computer program. And no, cloning is not the same thing, as you would lose the 'state', so to speak. > Well, unlike a building it's a tool that can e.g. order a nuclear strike, or talk to someone and convince them to kill themselves: Well, I remember people blaming the Columbine shooting on Doom and other shooting games, so this is not entirely new either.
- coldtea 4y ago
  >You can't bring a human being back to life the way you can do with a computer program. And no, cloning is not the same thing, as you would lose the 'state', so to speak. That's an extra feature of an AGI though, not something lacking... So can't be used as an argument why AGI will be "just a tool". It could just as well be "like a human but rebootable and copyable" (as opposed "rebootable and copyable, thus not human-like").
  - indigoabstract 4y ago
    I think our consciousness and being non-copyable is what makes us unique, if not necessarily valuable. I fully expect an AGI will be able to mimic our intelligence enough to accomplish and adapt to different real world tasks, but I would be surprised it ever becomes self-aware, so like us. I feel that is not the same thing as intelligence. But, I suppose it cannot be ruled out, since we don't fully understand what self-awareness is..