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>a lot of the data is state-managed (birth/death certificates, car registrations, etc) That is a huge, currently insurmountable problem. The states are not lik

>a lot of the data is state-managed (birth/death certificates, car registrations, etc) That is a huge, currently insurmountable problem. The states are not likely to just roll over and kow tow to new, intrusive federal tax laws, look at the history of ACA (Obamacare). Further, you don't seem to understand the requirements to be claimed as a dependent. Simply being the birth parent is only one small part, it also requires among other things a determination of residency household and who pays for support. There are a non-trivial number of tax returns filed which falsely claim a dependent (either deliberately or through ignorance), which then causes a lot of grief and delay for the taxpayer who is actually entitled to so claim. And there are more requirements to claim an EV credit beyond simply the registration. I note you didn't respond to the item about charitable donations. I could provide another twenty items that the IRS doesn't know enough about until you tell them if I wanted to take the time, and that still wouldn't be an exhaustive list.

WorldMaker 4y ago
I filed charitable donations under the same bucket as "expenses". It's a complicated tax credit that the tax code could potentially simplify or streamline. It's another one of those "dual reporting" situations where the charity also need to report it to the IRS as their income so there are some obvious ways to streamline/simplify by combining the filing if nothing else. In general, I feel like you are using the existing baroque complexity of the tax code as the reason not to simplify it. Of course that is a Catch-22! The above sentiment that the IRS "could just tell us what we owe" is a desire to simplify at its core. Other countries have simplified their tax codes to the point where they just automatically send a bill or a check and a sign-off of pre-completed forms. You are right, that's not possible with the complexity of today's US tax codes, but it is defeatist to suggest that the complexity of today's tax codes are unchangeable laws handed down from the stars that can't be simplified so that we could get the nice things that other countries have today (and that for-profit corporations like Intuit spend lots of money lobbying Congress telling them that Americans don't deserve such nice things).
- PopAlongKid 4y ago
  >using the existing baroque complexity of the tax code as the reason not to simplify it. One huge challenge is the fact that a lot of welfare is embedded into the system as tax credits. That is why it is so complicated to be sure the correct taxpayer gets to claim a child, since the credits amount to potentially many thousands of dollars. If this welfare money instead was delivered directly instead of via tax credits, then yes a lot of the complexity could be removed, but it's been this way so long, there is a lot of inertia.
  - WorldMaker 4y ago
    Tax credits are not and cannot ever be actual welfare if they aren't money in hand. There's definitely a "wish it was welfare" aspect to many of the tax credits in that they supposedly help groups like families (and, uh, corporations) get a lower tax rate, but most tax credits really are just an indication that the base tax rates aren't correctly-sized versus societal needs and could be deeply simplified. There is indeed a lot of inertia from the "wish it was welfare" feeling giving a lot of reasons for people (and corporations, lol) to claw for keeping many of the tax credits in play because it does save them money in a noticeable way to their bottom line that also makes them feel like they "deserve it" (for "hard work" or other "earned" reasons) and that could be greatly simplified indeed by, I don't know, maybe correctly investing in real welfare projects instead.
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      > Tax credits are not and cannot ever be actual welfare if they aren’t money in hand. Refundable tax credits are money in hand. (They may be delayed money in hand, but effectively that’s just welfare with eligibility determined with a lag, which is fairly common, though the lag for tax credits is longer than for most other welfare programs.) But the main “welfare-like” tax credit (EITC) is also advanceable (via the W-5 process) as well as refundable, which removes the delayed aspect, too.

WorldMaker 4y ago

I filed charitable donations under the same bucket as "expenses". It's a complicated tax credit that the tax code could potentially simplify or streamline. It's another one of those "dual reporting" situations where the charity also need to report it to the IRS as their income so there are some obvious ways to streamline/simplify by combining the filing if nothing else. In general, I feel like you are using the existing baroque complexity of the tax code as the reason not to simplify it. Of course that is a Catch-22! The above sentiment that the IRS "could just tell us what we owe" is a desire to simplify at its core. Other countries have simplified their tax codes to the point where they just automatically send a bill or a check and a sign-off of pre-completed forms. You are right, that's not possible with the complexity of today's US tax codes, but it is defeatist to suggest that the complexity of today's tax codes are unchangeable laws handed down from the stars that can't be simplified so that we could get the nice things that other countries have today (and that for-profit corporations like Intuit spend lots of money lobbying Congress telling them that Americans don't deserve such nice things).

PopAlongKid 4y ago
>using the existing baroque complexity of the tax code as the reason not to simplify it. One huge challenge is the fact that a lot of welfare is embedded into the system as tax credits. That is why it is so complicated to be sure the correct taxpayer gets to claim a child, since the credits amount to potentially many thousands of dollars. If this welfare money instead was delivered directly instead of via tax credits, then yes a lot of the complexity could be removed, but it's been this way so long, there is a lot of inertia.
- WorldMaker 4y ago
  Tax credits are not and cannot ever be actual welfare if they aren't money in hand. There's definitely a "wish it was welfare" aspect to many of the tax credits in that they supposedly help groups like families (and, uh, corporations) get a lower tax rate, but most tax credits really are just an indication that the base tax rates aren't correctly-sized versus societal needs and could be deeply simplified. There is indeed a lot of inertia from the "wish it was welfare" feeling giving a lot of reasons for people (and corporations, lol) to claw for keeping many of the tax credits in play because it does save them money in a noticeable way to their bottom line that also makes them feel like they "deserve it" (for "hard work" or other "earned" reasons) and that could be greatly simplified indeed by, I don't know, maybe correctly investing in real welfare projects instead.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > Tax credits are not and cannot ever be actual welfare if they aren’t money in hand. Refundable tax credits are money in hand. (They may be delayed money in hand, but effectively that’s just welfare with eligibility determined with a lag, which is fairly common, though the lag for tax credits is longer than for most other welfare programs.) But the main “welfare-like” tax credit (EITC) is also advanceable (via the W-5 process) as well as refundable, which removes the delayed aspect, too.