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Sorry about the negative attitude. It's just that my personal experience (I can't speak for others) is based on a lot of annoyances and observations. Sure, I'm

Sorry about the negative attitude. It's just that my personal experience (I can't speak for others) is based on a lot of annoyances and observations. Sure, I'm lucky to be having a relative short commute (by choice by the way). But on that commute I come across the following (Netherlands btw): - Teenagers on e-bikes, all of them have a short commute. 20 minutes max. - Old people on e-bikes going high speeds with balancing issues. - Big differences in speeds on bicycle paths. 5-10kmh small kids on bikes, 10-18kmh regulare bikes, 24kmh+ ebikes & small motorbikes. - Bicycle shops that carry 95% ebikes since they are high margin products - Bicycle shops declining service on regular bikes - Obesity and lack of energy for people in general Disclaimer: - I worked in an e-bike servicing company before, seen how quickly the products go bad - I've tried e-bikes and found the lack of energy spent by myself a big issue. It brought me from A to B, but it didn't feel like I had been spending energy. Which I think is an essential part of using any product.

margalabargala 4y ago
> It brought me from A to B, but it didn't feel like I had been spending energy. This may be a downside for you personally, but more broadly it's the reason why people may replace cars with ebikes. Normal bicycles are in a stable relationship with cars, meaning that the sorts of people who would replace their cars with bicycles have already done so. There's no new impetus right now that wasn't present 8 years ago. Ebikes open up the "replace cars" space to a new group of people that it didn't previously apply to. You complain that these people aren't on regular bicycles. But the option isn't whether these people should be on ebikes or regular bicycles. It's whether those people are on ebikes or in cars. Which do you prefer?
- marapuru 4y ago
  > You complain that these people aren't on regular bicycles. But the option isn't whether these people should be on ebikes or regular bicycles. It's whether those people are on ebikes or in cars. Which do you prefer? I'm aware that I'm focussing on my specific area here. Which is flat land, low distance commutes. I see people choosing ebikes over regular bicycles. Which I think puts them a step back in health and increases dangerous situations on the low to mid speed bicycle paths.
  - margalabargala 4y ago
    > I see people choosing ebikes over regular bicycles Maybe this is a location dependent thing. I see you're in the Netherlands; I'm in the US. Among people here riding ebikes, they're not choosing ebikes over regular bicycles. They're choosing ebikes over cars. Regular bicycles were never an option for those people. I agree that people on ebikes are more dangerous than people on regular bikes. But they are so much less dangerous than the people in cars. Every car driver that becomes an ebike rider instead is an absolute improvement. In a location like the Netherlands where cycling is so much more common, I can see how people could swap from a regular bicycle to an ebike, and that makes things worse.
gregorymichael 4y ago
Do you have kids, by chance? I can understand these comments from a fit single adult. I basically had to give up biking once we had kids. A cargo ebike has been a life changer.
- marapuru 4y ago
  Yes, I have a kid. Happily transport them on front / back of my bicycle.

margalabargala 4y ago

> It brought me from A to B, but it didn't feel like I had been spending energy. This may be a downside for you personally, but more broadly it's the reason why people may replace cars with ebikes. Normal bicycles are in a stable relationship with cars, meaning that the sorts of people who would replace their cars with bicycles have already done so. There's no new impetus right now that wasn't present 8 years ago. Ebikes open up the "replace cars" space to a new group of people that it didn't previously apply to. You complain that these people aren't on regular bicycles. But the option isn't whether these people should be on ebikes or regular bicycles. It's whether those people are on ebikes or in cars. Which do you prefer?

marapuru 4y ago
> You complain that these people aren't on regular bicycles. But the option isn't whether these people should be on ebikes or regular bicycles. It's whether those people are on ebikes or in cars. Which do you prefer? I'm aware that I'm focussing on my specific area here. Which is flat land, low distance commutes. I see people choosing ebikes over regular bicycles. Which I think puts them a step back in health and increases dangerous situations on the low to mid speed bicycle paths.
- margalabargala 4y ago
  > I see people choosing ebikes over regular bicycles Maybe this is a location dependent thing. I see you're in the Netherlands; I'm in the US. Among people here riding ebikes, they're not choosing ebikes over regular bicycles. They're choosing ebikes over cars. Regular bicycles were never an option for those people. I agree that people on ebikes are more dangerous than people on regular bikes. But they are so much less dangerous than the people in cars. Every car driver that becomes an ebike rider instead is an absolute improvement. In a location like the Netherlands where cycling is so much more common, I can see how people could swap from a regular bicycle to an ebike, and that makes things worse.

gregorymichael 4y ago

Do you have kids, by chance? I can understand these comments from a fit single adult. I basically had to give up biking once we had kids. A cargo ebike has been a life changer.

marapuru 4y ago
Yes, I have a kid. Happily transport them on front / back of my bicycle.