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> Anyone who works at Microsoft brave enough to comment...? Approximately 200,000 people work at Microsoft, and I can assure you that the vast majority do not

> Anyone who works at Microsoft brave enough to comment...? Approximately 200,000 people work at Microsoft, and I can assure you that the vast majority do not hold the authority to make decisions like this. In reality, I suspect that many of them view this kind of user interface/user experience as unfriendly and express their concerns to higher-ups, but without any influence, they may never see any improvements. Given this fact, I would recommend rephrasing your request to call for a Microsoft executive to clarify this decision. However, you probably already know the answer to that question: engagement, which leads to promotions, which leads to more money.

CatWChainsaw 4y ago
Yes. It would be nice to see one being honest behind the protection of a pseudonym.... even nicer if they slip some hints for how to toggle these nastygrams off.
- msthrw153352 4y ago
  The problem is most of us have enough clues on our primary accounts that it wouldn't look great badmouthing our employer to the degree I'm about to. I regularly feel disgust at some of the decisions I see the OS and other consumer product teams roll out. It makes the company look bad, and I believe hurts our long term best interest by cheapening our product and brand, let alone the ethical perspective of dark pattern or depriving users control over their own devices. I know of no way to turn these off short of using an older version of Windows. I think some of the enterprise releases may have ways to create local accounts, but they may still hit this, I'm not familiar with that side of the world. If there is third party software to mitigate this I encourage it. If this drives you to linux I encourage and am encouraged by it. If you pirate out of protest I encourage it. Consolidation and other related factors in the OS marketplace have rendered consumers with very little real leverage, and this is not a state of affairs I am happy with. To guess's point, I can also say that I know of no coworkers happy with this or who have any power to impact this state of affairs. I am not in the OS org, but I would be surprised if it were any different there. To put it crudely, incentives are a bitch.
  - CatWChainsaw 4y ago
    Thank you for going to the trouble of making a throwaway for possibly just this comment. I'm aware that employees currently don't have a lot of power, and of course consumers being wrangled with dark patterns means they don't have a lot of power either. Getting confirmation that the unpopular decisions can be laid squarely at the feet of executives does allow one to hold out hope for a more equitable future for consumer electronics.
theknocker 4y ago
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CatWChainsaw 4y ago

Yes. It would be nice to see one being honest behind the protection of a pseudonym.... even nicer if they slip some hints for how to toggle these nastygrams off.

msthrw153352 4y ago
The problem is most of us have enough clues on our primary accounts that it wouldn't look great badmouthing our employer to the degree I'm about to. I regularly feel disgust at some of the decisions I see the OS and other consumer product teams roll out. It makes the company look bad, and I believe hurts our long term best interest by cheapening our product and brand, let alone the ethical perspective of dark pattern or depriving users control over their own devices. I know of no way to turn these off short of using an older version of Windows. I think some of the enterprise releases may have ways to create local accounts, but they may still hit this, I'm not familiar with that side of the world. If there is third party software to mitigate this I encourage it. If this drives you to linux I encourage and am encouraged by it. If you pirate out of protest I encourage it. Consolidation and other related factors in the OS marketplace have rendered consumers with very little real leverage, and this is not a state of affairs I am happy with. To guess's point, I can also say that I know of no coworkers happy with this or who have any power to impact this state of affairs. I am not in the OS org, but I would be surprised if it were any different there. To put it crudely, incentives are a bitch.
- CatWChainsaw 4y ago
  Thank you for going to the trouble of making a throwaway for possibly just this comment. I'm aware that employees currently don't have a lot of power, and of course consumers being wrangled with dark patterns means they don't have a lot of power either. Getting confirmation that the unpopular decisions can be laid squarely at the feet of executives does allow one to hold out hope for a more equitable future for consumer electronics.

theknocker 4y ago

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