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You think in a small town if someone's mom died and they started pretending to be her and pretending their dad is their husband people wouldn't think that was w

by neaden 4y ago

You think in a small town if someone's mom died and they started pretending to be her and pretending their dad is their husband people wouldn't think that was weird and talk about it?

cissou 4y ago
At first you just "pretend" to the taxman. You only start pretending publicly when all the people who could confound you are dead.
- btilly 4y ago
  It is worthy of note that until she was in a nursing home, at a claimed age of 110, "Jeanne Calment" avoided any publicity about her claimed age. For example she refused the local mayor's congratulations when she "turned 100" - instead newspapers wound up running a story about someone turning 95. She literally waited nearly 50 years after the claimed switch, after she was in a new environment, with new people, without the people who would have most easily challenged it, to publicize her claim. This is exactly what we would expect from someone who was trying to hide a fraud. Search for "Publicity (lack of)" in https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/rej.2018.2167 https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/rej.2018.2167 for more details on that.
  - toast0 4y ago
    > This is exactly what we would expect from someone who was trying to hide a fraud. It's also perfectly reasonable to not want to be made a spectacle of. And to reconsider later. Maybe she didn't think 100 was worthy of spectacle, but 110 was; maybe 10 years or missing out on spectacle drove her to change her mind.
    - btilly 4y ago
      Yes, every piece of evidence can fit with switch or no switch. But the evidence is not equally likely under those theories. Therefore when I try to combine evidence I find that switch makes a lot more sense to me.
- neaden 4y ago
  But many people who were younger then her remember her during that time period that you say she was only pretending for the taxman. All of these claims are coming from people who live in another country and never did any investigatory field work in the area. Everyone who actually did the interviews and on the ground investigation came to the conclusion that there was no swap, and that the alleged swap wouldn't have made any sense.
rosywoozlechan 4y ago
Purely speculating for entertainment, but the switch could have started it for the reason of obtaining benefits, and not a thing shared with others, by the time she got to be old enough to be famous for it, had been going on for so long nobody cared or was alive at the time to remember maybe?
- neaden 4y ago
  We have records of the daughters funeral in the towns newspapers. It was well attended and there was a viewing of the body afterward. Many people would have had to have been fooled/in on it from the very beginning.
  - philegibbs 4y ago
    The records dont confirm that there was a open casque viewing, but if there was, how recognisable is a mother vs her daughter if she just died of tuberculosis? In fact the funeral was very fast. She was buried the day after she died.
jrumbut 4y ago
No, but they might think it was pension fraud and be unwilling to report their neighbors (even posthumously). That seems unlikely, but we only have the one case of someone living that old vs many cases of unreported pension fraud so if we're assigning a prior to both I would say it's reasonable to assign a probability of pension fraud to be at least as high as the probability of her being truly that age.
- neaden 4y ago
  First off the allegation isn't pension fraud, it's inheritance tax dodging. Or sometimes it's claims about tuberculosis that don't make sense. Secondly as I have said the whole swap thing has been investigated by multiple people, all who came to the conclusion that no swap took place. Furthermore since the people saying it was a swap are the ones making a claim and have literally 0 evidence, at a certain point you just have to accept that a woman lived slightly longer then anyone else.

by neaden 4y ago

You think in a small town if someone's mom died and they started pretending to be her and pretending their dad is their husband people wouldn't think that was weird and talk about it?

cissou 4y ago

At first you just "pretend" to the taxman. You only start pretending publicly when all the people who could confound you are dead.

btilly 4y ago
It is worthy of note that until she was in a nursing home, at a claimed age of 110, "Jeanne Calment" avoided any publicity about her claimed age. For example she refused the local mayor's congratulations when she "turned 100" - instead newspapers wound up running a story about someone turning 95. She literally waited nearly 50 years after the claimed switch, after she was in a new environment, with new people, without the people who would have most easily challenged it, to publicize her claim. This is exactly what we would expect from someone who was trying to hide a fraud. Search for "Publicity (lack of)" in https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/rej.2018.2167 https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/rej.2018.2167 for more details on that.
- toast0 4y ago
  > This is exactly what we would expect from someone who was trying to hide a fraud. It's also perfectly reasonable to not want to be made a spectacle of. And to reconsider later. Maybe she didn't think 100 was worthy of spectacle, but 110 was; maybe 10 years or missing out on spectacle drove her to change her mind.
  - btilly 4y ago
    Yes, every piece of evidence can fit with switch or no switch. But the evidence is not equally likely under those theories. Therefore when I try to combine evidence I find that switch makes a lot more sense to me.
neaden 4y ago
But many people who were younger then her remember her during that time period that you say she was only pretending for the taxman. All of these claims are coming from people who live in another country and never did any investigatory field work in the area. Everyone who actually did the interviews and on the ground investigation came to the conclusion that there was no swap, and that the alleged swap wouldn't have made any sense.

rosywoozlechan 4y ago

Purely speculating for entertainment, but the switch could have started it for the reason of obtaining benefits, and not a thing shared with others, by the time she got to be old enough to be famous for it, had been going on for so long nobody cared or was alive at the time to remember maybe?

neaden 4y ago
We have records of the daughters funeral in the towns newspapers. It was well attended and there was a viewing of the body afterward. Many people would have had to have been fooled/in on it from the very beginning.
- philegibbs 4y ago
  The records dont confirm that there was a open casque viewing, but if there was, how recognisable is a mother vs her daughter if she just died of tuberculosis? In fact the funeral was very fast. She was buried the day after she died.

jrumbut 4y ago

No, but they might think it was pension fraud and be unwilling to report their neighbors (even posthumously). That seems unlikely, but we only have the one case of someone living that old vs many cases of unreported pension fraud so if we're assigning a prior to both I would say it's reasonable to assign a probability of pension fraud to be at least as high as the probability of her being truly that age.

neaden 4y ago
First off the allegation isn't pension fraud, it's inheritance tax dodging. Or sometimes it's claims about tuberculosis that don't make sense. Secondly as I have said the whole swap thing has been investigated by multiple people, all who came to the conclusion that no swap took place. Furthermore since the people saying it was a swap are the ones making a claim and have literally 0 evidence, at a certain point you just have to accept that a woman lived slightly longer then anyone else.