6 ms·

Totally strange given that love to democracies have nothing to do with anything. Srsly, how do the "United democracies" expect to be taken seriously when their

Totally strange given that love to democracies have nothing to do with anything. Srsly, how do the "United democracies" expect to be taken seriously when their whole attitude to literally everything is "bad guys don't like us for being good boys"?

tim333 4y ago
NATO seems to get taken quite seriously by its opponents for some strange reason.
- koonsolo 4y ago
  Exactly, and in the end that's the only thing that matters: power. We in the western world can be very happy that democracies represent the biggest power. Anyone who doesn't agree is free to emigrate or happily live in a dictatorship of course.
  - foverzar 4y ago
    > Exactly, and in the end that's the only thing that matters: power. > democracies represent the biggest power. > Anyone who doesn't agree is free to emigrate or happily live in a dictatorship of course. Eh, but that's the point: a bunch of countries with a shady history of global power dynamics (genocidal colonialism, fascism, etc) that now declared its current political establishment as a universal virtue, all while invading other countries around the globe. I just feel like "democratic" don't notice at all how they're slipping into antagonism with almost every other culture except their own, up to labeling the forming west-skeptical alliances as "new axis of evil" or claiming everyone who doesn't politically align to them to be dysfunctional (see Hungary) What's the coping strategy for the fact that so many diverse regions of the world that share nothing in common assess a very tight (geographically, economically and culturally) circle of countries as a threat?
    - koonsolo 4y ago
      First up, which countries is Europe invading? Secondly, here are the values of the european union: respect for human dignity and human rights, freedom, democracy, equality and the rule of law. Can you tell me which values you don't agree with? Hungary is part of EU with all benefits and responsibilities. If they don't align with these values then they get penalized, simple as that.
      - athrowaw 4y ago
        > First up, which countries is Europe invading? I don't know about right now, but not long ago UK forces were in Syria, that Syria government never asked for. Should we call it invading? If not, what's your definition of invading?
        koonsolo 4y ago
        Invading is claiming it as your country and handing out passports. That or installing a non-democratic dictatorship and subdue the local population.
        athrowaw 4y ago
        > Invading is claiming it as your country and handing out passports. That's more or less definition for annexing, not invading. > That or installing a non-democratic dictatorship and subdue the local population. That's a regime change or may be a coup.
- foverzar 4y ago
  As some dangerous warmongering entity, sure, it has to be considered: just look at Russia trying to get a better foothold for another confrontation with it. What I am talking about is how everyone outside Europe starts rolling their eyes as Europeans claim that the mere reason why their super advanced, super civilized society has bad blood with someone else is because Europeans just too advanced and democratic and only bad boys don't like good boys.

tim333 4y ago

NATO seems to get taken quite seriously by its opponents for some strange reason.

koonsolo 4y ago
Exactly, and in the end that's the only thing that matters: power. We in the western world can be very happy that democracies represent the biggest power. Anyone who doesn't agree is free to emigrate or happily live in a dictatorship of course.
- foverzar 4y ago
  > Exactly, and in the end that's the only thing that matters: power. > democracies represent the biggest power. > Anyone who doesn't agree is free to emigrate or happily live in a dictatorship of course. Eh, but that's the point: a bunch of countries with a shady history of global power dynamics (genocidal colonialism, fascism, etc) that now declared its current political establishment as a universal virtue, all while invading other countries around the globe. I just feel like "democratic" don't notice at all how they're slipping into antagonism with almost every other culture except their own, up to labeling the forming west-skeptical alliances as "new axis of evil" or claiming everyone who doesn't politically align to them to be dysfunctional (see Hungary) What's the coping strategy for the fact that so many diverse regions of the world that share nothing in common assess a very tight (geographically, economically and culturally) circle of countries as a threat?
  - koonsolo 4y ago
    First up, which countries is Europe invading? Secondly, here are the values of the european union: respect for human dignity and human rights, freedom, democracy, equality and the rule of law. Can you tell me which values you don't agree with? Hungary is part of EU with all benefits and responsibilities. If they don't align with these values then they get penalized, simple as that.
    - athrowaw 4y ago
      > First up, which countries is Europe invading? I don't know about right now, but not long ago UK forces were in Syria, that Syria government never asked for. Should we call it invading? If not, what's your definition of invading?
      - koonsolo 4y ago
        Invading is claiming it as your country and handing out passports. That or installing a non-democratic dictatorship and subdue the local population.
        athrowaw 4y ago
        > Invading is claiming it as your country and handing out passports. That's more or less definition for annexing, not invading. > That or installing a non-democratic dictatorship and subdue the local population. That's a regime change or may be a coup.
foverzar 4y ago
As some dangerous warmongering entity, sure, it has to be considered: just look at Russia trying to get a better foothold for another confrontation with it. What I am talking about is how everyone outside Europe starts rolling their eyes as Europeans claim that the mere reason why their super advanced, super civilized society has bad blood with someone else is because Europeans just too advanced and democratic and only bad boys don't like good boys.