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The factories that make solar panels and wind turbines for us today will make solar panels and wind turbines for the rest of the world tomorrow, and also more f

The factories that make solar panels and wind turbines for us today will make solar panels and wind turbines for the rest of the world tomorrow, and also more factories in between now and then. > make even a proverbial "drop in the bucket" These drops in a bucket are exponential. What did your mother teach you about exponentials? > the way things are done in China not changing China is making solar panels and nuclear reactors like the future depends on it. They are part of the problem, yes, but they are definitely part of the solution too. > climate change cult Wanting clean air and tame climate is "cult" behavior?

horns4lyfe 4y ago
As far as the cult goes, I think they probably mean the “we have to tear down the economy and re build it to address climate Justice” and “any sacrifice is worth it in the name of climate change crowds”. Of which a large number just pay lip service, but there are still a lot of true believers.
- jjoonathan 4y ago
  I would be much more sympathetic to these concerns if I saw credible green extremist policy pushes of the kind you describe, but the extent of green policy so far seems to be... EV subsidies for Elon Musk. No, right now green extremists are primarily just bogeymen invoked by the usual conservative causes. I just don't feel a pressing need to jump into this fight on the side of legacy energy. Not yet and probably not ever.
  - anonym29 4y ago
    This is precisely my criticism of that crowd. They aren't proposing real solutions, just "EVs everywhere!" while EVs are ostensibly not even a fully mature technology the way ICE's are yet.
- babypuncher 4y ago
  It's almost like solving this problem gets harder and harder the longer we put it off. If only we knew this was a looming problem 40 years ago and started doing something about it back then. The total economic cost would have been much lower. And the scary thing is, the cost of climate change is only going to get worse. Eventually we will reach a point where the cost is unavoidable, and we will be spending trillions dealing with the consequences rather than billions preventing them. There is a reason our own military pegs climate change as one of our biggest national security risks in the 21st century, because things are going to get very ugly when large populated regions of the world become inhospitable.

horns4lyfe 4y ago

As far as the cult goes, I think they probably mean the “we have to tear down the economy and re build it to address climate Justice” and “any sacrifice is worth it in the name of climate change crowds”. Of which a large number just pay lip service, but there are still a lot of true believers.

jjoonathan 4y ago
I would be much more sympathetic to these concerns if I saw credible green extremist policy pushes of the kind you describe, but the extent of green policy so far seems to be... EV subsidies for Elon Musk. No, right now green extremists are primarily just bogeymen invoked by the usual conservative causes. I just don't feel a pressing need to jump into this fight on the side of legacy energy. Not yet and probably not ever.
- anonym29 4y ago
  This is precisely my criticism of that crowd. They aren't proposing real solutions, just "EVs everywhere!" while EVs are ostensibly not even a fully mature technology the way ICE's are yet.
babypuncher 4y ago
It's almost like solving this problem gets harder and harder the longer we put it off. If only we knew this was a looming problem 40 years ago and started doing something about it back then. The total economic cost would have been much lower. And the scary thing is, the cost of climate change is only going to get worse. Eventually we will reach a point where the cost is unavoidable, and we will be spending trillions dealing with the consequences rather than billions preventing them. There is a reason our own military pegs climate change as one of our biggest national security risks in the 21st century, because things are going to get very ugly when large populated regions of the world become inhospitable.