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>I mean what do you propose western nations do? Nothing? We could compel China and other countries, by diplomatic and other means

smoldesu 4y ago
That sorta requires you to lead by example, first.
- hammock 4y ago
  Does it? The US is currently compelling Russia to give up its claims in eastern Ukraine, despite occupying whole parts of Syria and other places itself
  - trasz3 4y ago
    US hasn’t invaded Syria in a colonial war. They also didn’t commit genocide in Syria.
    - hammock 4y ago
      Someone might want to tell the people of Syria. >"The Syrian Arab Republic affirms that the practices of the United States of America and the illegal presence of its forces on parts of the territory of the Syrian Arab Republic is an actual embodiment of the crime of aggression," the Syrian Mission to the United Nations told Newsweek. >"Syria stresses that the lies promoted by the U.S. administration are nothing but a failed attempt to justify the acts of aggression and the flagrant violation of the sovereignty, unity, and territorial integrity of the Syrian Arab Republic," https://www.newsweek.com/syria-demands-end-americas-last-forever-war-1792298 https://www.newsweek.com/syria-demands-end-americas-last-for...
      - toomanyrichies 4y ago
        > Someone might want to tell the people of Syria. The phrase “…the people of Syria…” is doing a lot of work in this sentence.
5e92cb50239222b 4y ago
We've been observing for more than a year now how well that works in practice. Don't overestimate your abilities.
tzs 4y ago
How do you diplomatically convince another country that their people need to have a lifestyle and standard of living that emits a fraction of the CO2 that your people emit?
- hammock 4y ago
  They’re doing it to us (Americans)… stands to reason that it can be done to others
  - tzs 4y ago
    Doing what to us? The current US lifestyle has CO2 emissions per person 2x that of the current Chinese lifestyle, and over 8x that of the current Indian lifestyle. Total emissions from India is 1/2 US emissions and total from China is 2x US emissions, but switching to per country instead of per person doesn't really help because the US is the #2 emitter by country (we are #16 per capita).
    - hammock 4y ago
      >Doing what to us? Diplomatically convincing us that we need to have a lifestyle and standard of living that emits a fraction of the CO2 we currently do... I think we agree.. Why so hostile?

smoldesu 4y ago

That sorta requires you to lead by example, first.

hammock 4y ago
Does it? The US is currently compelling Russia to give up its claims in eastern Ukraine, despite occupying whole parts of Syria and other places itself
- trasz3 4y ago
  US hasn’t invaded Syria in a colonial war. They also didn’t commit genocide in Syria.
  - hammock 4y ago
    Someone might want to tell the people of Syria. >"The Syrian Arab Republic affirms that the practices of the United States of America and the illegal presence of its forces on parts of the territory of the Syrian Arab Republic is an actual embodiment of the crime of aggression," the Syrian Mission to the United Nations told Newsweek. >"Syria stresses that the lies promoted by the U.S. administration are nothing but a failed attempt to justify the acts of aggression and the flagrant violation of the sovereignty, unity, and territorial integrity of the Syrian Arab Republic," https://www.newsweek.com/syria-demands-end-americas-last-forever-war-1792298 https://www.newsweek.com/syria-demands-end-americas-last-for...
    - toomanyrichies 4y ago
      > Someone might want to tell the people of Syria. The phrase “…the people of Syria…” is doing a lot of work in this sentence.

5e92cb50239222b 4y ago

We've been observing for more than a year now how well that works in practice. Don't overestimate your abilities.

tzs 4y ago

How do you diplomatically convince another country that their people need to have a lifestyle and standard of living that emits a fraction of the CO2 that your people emit?

hammock 4y ago
They’re doing it to us (Americans)… stands to reason that it can be done to others
- tzs 4y ago
  Doing what to us? The current US lifestyle has CO2 emissions per person 2x that of the current Chinese lifestyle, and over 8x that of the current Indian lifestyle. Total emissions from India is 1/2 US emissions and total from China is 2x US emissions, but switching to per country instead of per person doesn't really help because the US is the #2 emitter by country (we are #16 per capita).
  - hammock 4y ago
    >Doing what to us? Diplomatically convincing us that we need to have a lifestyle and standard of living that emits a fraction of the CO2 we currently do... I think we agree.. Why so hostile?