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The current, known, oldest living dog is almost 1.5 years older than the second oldest. The current one is also still living, so could exceed this number. https

The current, known, oldest living dog is almost 1.5 years older than the second oldest. The current one is also still living, so could exceed this number. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_living_dogs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_living_dogs Proportionately this compares quite favorably to Calment, being about double her spread from the next oldest human.

Murfalo 4y ago
Conspiracy-theorist goggles on... this is also fraud?! (I have no evidence, just pointing out the possibility)
- anonymouskimmer 4y ago
  Yeah, I think we've all considered that. Accurate record keeping for pets is worse than for humans.
  - bryanrasmussen 4y ago
    how do you know? I'm pretty sure that record keeping for dogs in Denmark is more accurate than record keeping for much of the world's human population, especially when you consider going back 100+ years for those humans. The oldest dog is evidently Portuguese. Not sure what that country's record keeping for dogs is like.
    - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
      Significant numbers of dogs are feral, or of uncertain age and origin when adopted.
      - duskwuff 4y ago
        And it's much easier to pass off one dog for another similar-looking one. There's substantial reason to suspect this may have happened with the current record holder for world's oldest dog ("Bobi"), for example -- IIRC, some of the photos show some sudden, inexplicable changes in coat patterning...
      - bryanrasmussen 4y ago
        thank you for answering my question of how you know a condition that you are familiar with from your country holds sway the world over. So anyway, in Denmark this is the standard https://www.hunderegister.dk/home https://www.hunderegister.dk/home dogs are tracked pretty well here. A human born 100 years ago would have been born in 1923, I'm pretty sure the records keeping of dogs in Denmark since 1993 (when the register was established) is better than a lot of humans 100 years ago. But sure, many of the dogs we had in the U.S nobody knew what age they really were. I am however unconvinced that just because nobody knows what ages dogs are in one region that nobody anywhere knows what ages dogs are. There is another factor about the age of dogs that pertains as well which is that basically the oldest dog anyone knows is definitely knowable all of someones life, of multiple people's lives in the same region actually. Obviously nobody knows what age a dog is if adopted when grown but I wouldn't be saying the dog is 23 years old if I've only known it for 20 years, I would say it is at least 20 years old because that's how long I've known it. In this I can't help but feel I'm much like most people.
        anonymouskimmer 4y ago
        > thank you for answering my question of how you know a condition that you are familiar with from your country holds sway the world over. Individual countries, even ones as populous with humans as China or India, or as populous with dogs as the US, don't matter for the total aggregate of record keeping. The record keeping status of an individual country is just an anecdote. It's the plural of a super-majority of the human or dog populations that become data. > but I wouldn't be saying the dog is 23 years old if I've only known it for 20 years People are arguing in this thread that this exact scenario happened as a conspiracy between multiple humans for Calment. It's true that these conspiracies could exist, whether for humans, or for dogs. Bad record keeping could make it easier for dogs. Bad record keeping would also make it easier for a very long lived dog to not be recorded (though this is much less likely, as dogs over the age of 20 are something to remark on, and feral dogs generally don't live nearly that long).
        bryanrasmussen 4y ago
        >It's true that these conspiracies could exist, whether for humans, or for dogs. Bad record keeping could make it easier for dogs the conspiracies would be more likely to have a payoff for humans though, and in the case of dogs as pointed out, all the humans that would be in charge of making a claim and that it lives among have probably lived as long as that dog or significantly longer. As well as that there are probably lots of people who know the dog that have lived as long or longer, therefore, for any dog that it is likely somebody will make a claim about there are probably lots of people who would be able to contest the claim. So in short, less profit, more people to dispute claims, either you have some records or you go through trouble of falsifying records for very little reason.
hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
If you think the data for humans is marginal, just imagine what it is for dogs. I absolutely don't think some "list of oldest dogs" is in any way exhaustive given that the vast, vast majority of dogs worldwide don't have accurate records.
naniwaduni 4y ago
The gaps in the ages of longest-living dogs are quite large, however: the second-oldest dog is in turn almost two years older than the third, there's four years between #4 and #7 (with the exact gaps between #4-#7 unclear, but there should be at least two gaps of >1 year). This strongly suggests the gap can be attributed to sparsity of data. The gap between Calment and #2 is over 2.5x the next largest gap in the records (1 year 80 days between #4 and #5).
- anonymouskimmer 4y ago
  > This strongly suggests the gap can be attributed to sparsity of data. Another hypothesis is that life, or genetic luck, tends to be harder on dogs than humans. Most dogs are dying as middle aged dogs, not as elderly dogs.
wjholden 4y ago
Maybe this works like a reversed Poisson distribution? In running races, it's not uncommon for the winner to be minutes ahead of the runner-up, who is only seconds ahead of the 3rd. After they cross the finish line, several more cross soon thereafter, and then the bulk of the runners come streaming in steadily. Eventually, the bulk of the runners pass the line and we start to see stragglers who were far behind the group, trickling in one by one slowly.

Murfalo 4y ago

Conspiracy-theorist goggles on... this is also fraud?! (I have no evidence, just pointing out the possibility)

anonymouskimmer 4y ago
Yeah, I think we've all considered that. Accurate record keeping for pets is worse than for humans.
- bryanrasmussen 4y ago
  how do you know? I'm pretty sure that record keeping for dogs in Denmark is more accurate than record keeping for much of the world's human population, especially when you consider going back 100+ years for those humans. The oldest dog is evidently Portuguese. Not sure what that country's record keeping for dogs is like.
  - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
    Significant numbers of dogs are feral, or of uncertain age and origin when adopted.
    - duskwuff 4y ago
      And it's much easier to pass off one dog for another similar-looking one. There's substantial reason to suspect this may have happened with the current record holder for world's oldest dog ("Bobi"), for example -- IIRC, some of the photos show some sudden, inexplicable changes in coat patterning...
    - bryanrasmussen 4y ago
      thank you for answering my question of how you know a condition that you are familiar with from your country holds sway the world over. So anyway, in Denmark this is the standard https://www.hunderegister.dk/home https://www.hunderegister.dk/home dogs are tracked pretty well here. A human born 100 years ago would have been born in 1923, I'm pretty sure the records keeping of dogs in Denmark since 1993 (when the register was established) is better than a lot of humans 100 years ago. But sure, many of the dogs we had in the U.S nobody knew what age they really were. I am however unconvinced that just because nobody knows what ages dogs are in one region that nobody anywhere knows what ages dogs are. There is another factor about the age of dogs that pertains as well which is that basically the oldest dog anyone knows is definitely knowable all of someones life, of multiple people's lives in the same region actually. Obviously nobody knows what age a dog is if adopted when grown but I wouldn't be saying the dog is 23 years old if I've only known it for 20 years, I would say it is at least 20 years old because that's how long I've known it. In this I can't help but feel I'm much like most people.
      - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
        > thank you for answering my question of how you know a condition that you are familiar with from your country holds sway the world over. Individual countries, even ones as populous with humans as China or India, or as populous with dogs as the US, don't matter for the total aggregate of record keeping. The record keeping status of an individual country is just an anecdote. It's the plural of a super-majority of the human or dog populations that become data. > but I wouldn't be saying the dog is 23 years old if I've only known it for 20 years People are arguing in this thread that this exact scenario happened as a conspiracy between multiple humans for Calment. It's true that these conspiracies could exist, whether for humans, or for dogs. Bad record keeping could make it easier for dogs. Bad record keeping would also make it easier for a very long lived dog to not be recorded (though this is much less likely, as dogs over the age of 20 are something to remark on, and feral dogs generally don't live nearly that long).
        bryanrasmussen 4y ago
        >It's true that these conspiracies could exist, whether for humans, or for dogs. Bad record keeping could make it easier for dogs the conspiracies would be more likely to have a payoff for humans though, and in the case of dogs as pointed out, all the humans that would be in charge of making a claim and that it lives among have probably lived as long as that dog or significantly longer. As well as that there are probably lots of people who know the dog that have lived as long or longer, therefore, for any dog that it is likely somebody will make a claim about there are probably lots of people who would be able to contest the claim. So in short, less profit, more people to dispute claims, either you have some records or you go through trouble of falsifying records for very little reason.

hn_throwaway_99 4y ago

If you think the data for humans is marginal, just imagine what it is for dogs. I absolutely don't think some "list of oldest dogs" is in any way exhaustive given that the vast, vast majority of dogs worldwide don't have accurate records.

naniwaduni 4y ago

The gaps in the ages of longest-living dogs are quite large, however: the second-oldest dog is in turn almost two years older than the third, there's four years between #4 and #7 (with the exact gaps between #4-#7 unclear, but there should be at least two gaps of >1 year). This strongly suggests the gap can be attributed to sparsity of data. The gap between Calment and #2 is over 2.5x the next largest gap in the records (1 year 80 days between #4 and #5).

anonymouskimmer 4y ago
> This strongly suggests the gap can be attributed to sparsity of data. Another hypothesis is that life, or genetic luck, tends to be harder on dogs than humans. Most dogs are dying as middle aged dogs, not as elderly dogs.

wjholden 4y ago

Maybe this works like a reversed Poisson distribution? In running races, it's not uncommon for the winner to be minutes ahead of the runner-up, who is only seconds ahead of the 3rd. After they cross the finish line, several more cross soon thereafter, and then the bulk of the runners come streaming in steadily. Eventually, the bulk of the runners pass the line and we start to see stragglers who were far behind the group, trickling in one by one slowly.