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I'll just add that I have so much more "non economically viable" work than I'll ever be able to do. I'd love machines that could write code for me to do tasks t

I'll just add that I have so much more "non economically viable" work than I'll ever be able to do. I'd love machines that could write code for me to do tasks that I'll never be able to afford to invest in otherwise. put another way, we have a labor shortage at today's level of output already. BUT, I don't know anyone who doesn't want more output. I mean, we're not going to run out of stuff to do!? what about space? curing diseases, etc. what about having time to make more art? if an AI can do work, or make work easier, what makes us certain that we'll just settle for getting the same amount done vs doing more?

hackinthebochs 4y ago
>if an AI can do work, or make work easier, what makes us certain that we'll just settle for getting the same amount done vs doing more? In this hyper-efficient future, is being paid for this stuff going to be viable? Why would anyone allocate money to your inefficient endeavors? There's this strange blindspot in people who think that more economic efficiency means you'll have time to do intrinsically inefficient labor. Who is going to feed and house you when your labor is irrelevant to the workings of the economy? UBI is a nice dream, but how do we get there from the current ruthless efficiently allocating system?
- shagie 4y ago
  One of the proposals out there (often posed as part of funding UBI - but not always) is to tax robots. Should we tax robots? - https://news.mit.edu/2022/robot-tax-income-inequality-1221 https://news.mit.edu/2022/robot-tax-income-inequality-1221 > What if the U.S. placed a tax on robots? The concept has been publicly discussed by policy analysts, scholars, and Bill Gates (who favors the notion). Because robots can replace jobs, the idea goes, a stiff tax on them would give firms incentive to help retain workers, while also compensating for a dropoff in payroll taxes when robots are used. Thus far, South Korea has reduced incentives for firms to deploy robots; European Union policymakers, on the other hand, considered a robot tax but did not enact it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_tax https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_tax There is a lot of material out there both for and against taxing robots.
- abakker 4y ago
  No, i mean, I don't expect anyone to allocate anything to my non-viable projects. I expect to allocate my own money to them like I always do, but, I'll be more able to achieve my goals. If things pan out, maybe these things could end up as a bootstrapped startup. Efficiency here could mean less need for equity funding and angel investing in early stage projects.

hackinthebochs 4y ago

>if an AI can do work, or make work easier, what makes us certain that we'll just settle for getting the same amount done vs doing more? In this hyper-efficient future, is being paid for this stuff going to be viable? Why would anyone allocate money to your inefficient endeavors? There's this strange blindspot in people who think that more economic efficiency means you'll have time to do intrinsically inefficient labor. Who is going to feed and house you when your labor is irrelevant to the workings of the economy? UBI is a nice dream, but how do we get there from the current ruthless efficiently allocating system?

shagie 4y ago
One of the proposals out there (often posed as part of funding UBI - but not always) is to tax robots. Should we tax robots? - https://news.mit.edu/2022/robot-tax-income-inequality-1221 https://news.mit.edu/2022/robot-tax-income-inequality-1221 > What if the U.S. placed a tax on robots? The concept has been publicly discussed by policy analysts, scholars, and Bill Gates (who favors the notion). Because robots can replace jobs, the idea goes, a stiff tax on them would give firms incentive to help retain workers, while also compensating for a dropoff in payroll taxes when robots are used. Thus far, South Korea has reduced incentives for firms to deploy robots; European Union policymakers, on the other hand, considered a robot tax but did not enact it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_tax https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_tax There is a lot of material out there both for and against taxing robots.
abakker 4y ago
No, i mean, I don't expect anyone to allocate anything to my non-viable projects. I expect to allocate my own money to them like I always do, but, I'll be more able to achieve my goals. If things pan out, maybe these things could end up as a bootstrapped startup. Efficiency here could mean less need for equity funding and angel investing in early stage projects.