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Taxes ruin everything, again.

AlexandrB 4y ago
Uhhh... > Efforts to pass another version of the plan are creating a fissure between Arizona’s business community and these Republicans, and have prompted some pro-business conservatives to join with Democrats and lobbyists for corporations to push for the tax’s renewal. Seems like dogmatic opposition to taxes is ruining everything.
- 0max 4y ago
  I hope Howard Jarvis is turning in his overpriced grave plot
- pirate787 4y ago
  Your "dogmatic" is my "principled"
  - flangola7 4y ago
    I'm fine with people not paying taxes, as long as they live somewhere stateless and receive no benefit from the taxes. Anything else would be just selfishness. Forcing others to pick up their tab.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - mikestew 4y ago
    You might want to look up "dogmatic". Because by my understanding, you're a hair's breadth away from, "blackmail? I prefer 'extortion'".
bastardoperator 4y ago
No, I'm a mega billion dollar corporation that wants to use taxpayer dollars, in fact I demand taxpayer dollars to expand my footprint and profits. Yes, yes, let's blame taxes and not greed.
- onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
  Greed is human nature. Corporations aren't charities, and that isn't a problem. This is corporations exploiting a broken political system, where some politician is always willing to sell out future generations to stay in power for another day. We would be much better off focusing on that problem than trying to hope people and corporations go against human nature and stop being greedy. Hope is never a good strategy. And leopards don't often change their spots...
  - yamtaddle 4y ago
    > Greed is human nature. Part of, sure, but you have to be very careful using this as a foundation of some kind of larger edifice of reasoning, because some behaviors pretty contrary to greed are also human nature.
  - Clent 4y ago
    Focusing on the bigger problem was tried. McCain-Feingold. The courts striped it of all power.
  - juanani 4y ago
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  - flangola7 4y ago
    Lots of awful things are human nature but that doesn't mean we should let them run unimpeded, much less have the public subsidize it. Someone let me know when the state coffers will help fund my serial rape and murder campaign.
    - onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
      If your strategy to stop murder is hope - that's a bad strategy. If your strategy to stop corporate greed is to say companies are bad and hope they get better - that's a bad strategy. You need to do something about it beside complain companies are greedy and hope they stop being greedy. That's never going to happen.

Uhhh... > Efforts to pass another version of the plan are creating a fissure between Arizona’s business community and these Republicans, and have prompted some pro-business conservatives to join with Democrats and lobbyists for corporations to push for the tax’s renewal. Seems like dogmatic opposition to taxes is ruining everything.

0max 4y ago
I hope Howard Jarvis is turning in his overpriced grave plot
pirate787 4y ago
Your "dogmatic" is my "principled"
- flangola7 4y ago
  I'm fine with people not paying taxes, as long as they live somewhere stateless and receive no benefit from the taxes. Anything else would be just selfishness. Forcing others to pick up their tab.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- mikestew 4y ago
  You might want to look up "dogmatic". Because by my understanding, you're a hair's breadth away from, "blackmail? I prefer 'extortion'".

bastardoperator 4y ago

No, I'm a mega billion dollar corporation that wants to use taxpayer dollars, in fact I demand taxpayer dollars to expand my footprint and profits. Yes, yes, let's blame taxes and not greed.

onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
Greed is human nature. Corporations aren't charities, and that isn't a problem. This is corporations exploiting a broken political system, where some politician is always willing to sell out future generations to stay in power for another day. We would be much better off focusing on that problem than trying to hope people and corporations go against human nature and stop being greedy. Hope is never a good strategy. And leopards don't often change their spots...
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  > Greed is human nature. Part of, sure, but you have to be very careful using this as a foundation of some kind of larger edifice of reasoning, because some behaviors pretty contrary to greed are also human nature.
- Clent 4y ago
  Focusing on the bigger problem was tried. McCain-Feingold. The courts striped it of all power.
- juanani 4y ago
  [dead]
- flangola7 4y ago
  Lots of awful things are human nature but that doesn't mean we should let them run unimpeded, much less have the public subsidize it. Someone let me know when the state coffers will help fund my serial rape and murder campaign.
  - onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
    If your strategy to stop murder is hope - that's a bad strategy. If your strategy to stop corporate greed is to say companies are bad and hope they get better - that's a bad strategy. You need to do something about it beside complain companies are greedy and hope they stop being greedy. That's never going to happen.