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This looks quite interesting. So I have question for these AI powered editors: what advantage would a dedicated editor like this have over just using an AI plug

This looks quite interesting. So I have question for these AI powered editors: what advantage would a dedicated editor like this have over just using an AI plugin for VsCode? How do you fundamentally build the editor differently if you are thinking about AI from the ground up?

rco8786 4y ago
> How do you fundamentally build the editor differently if you are thinking about AI from the ground up? Great question. I would love to hear the devs thoughts here. This is one of those questions where my intuition tells me there may be a really great "first principles" type of answer, but I don't know it myself.
prepend 4y ago
I suspect that if the goal is to make money, you want your own ide and don’t want to rely on vscode.
swyx 4y ago
i mean the obvious answer is just being able to do things that the VS Code extension api does not let you do. per the end of the readme: - one step to go from a spec to writing code, run code, debugging itself, install packages, and deploying the code - creates "ephemeral UI" on demand
- Haga 4y ago
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ValentaTomas 4y ago
In essence when working with code stops being the major thing you do (you abstract that away) and start managing the agents working on code and writing the spec, you need new tools and working environment to support that.
- Swizec 4y ago
  > and start managing the agents working on code ... you need new tools Jira? Only slightly joking. It really sounds like we're moving in the direction of engineers being a more precise technical version of a PM, but then engineers could just learn to speak business and we don't need PMs.
  - TallGuyShort 4y ago
    But can the AI, as Office Space said, "talk to the goddamn customers so the engineers don't have to"?
    - toxicFork 4y ago
      I think soon yes
- namaria 4y ago
  So you lose precision and control?
mlejva 4y ago
Hey! Thanks for the question. Our editor isn't a regular coding editor. You don't actually write code with e2b. You write technical specs and then collaborate with an AI agent. Imagine it more like having a virtual developer at your disposal 24/7. It's built on a completely new paradigms enabled by LLMs. This enables to unlock a lot of new use cases and features but at the same time there's a lot that needs to be built.
- walleeee 4y ago
  I'm not sure I follow this answer. What are the entirely new paradigms? Writing is still the initial step. If text editing remains a core part of the workflow, why restrict the user's ability to edit code?
  - b112 4y ago
    why restrict the user's ability to edit code? Because funky brackets are confusing.
- mayank 4y ago
  > You don't actually write code with e2b. You write technical specs and then collaborate with an AI agent. If I want to change 1 character of a generated source file, can I just go do that or will I have to figure out how to prompt the change in natural language?
  - arthurcolle 4y ago
    I'm sure there would be a way to edit the artifacts... otherwise this would be a constant exercise in frustration!
    - mypalmike 4y ago
      So, not too different from typical real world coding tasks today.
    - RoyGBivCap 4y ago
barbariangrunge 4y ago
If you could use it without submitting data to some ai company, or if it came with a non-disgusting terms of service, that would be a killer feature for me. For example, the last ai company installer I just clicked "decline" to (a few minutes ago) says that you give it permission to download malware, including viruses and trojans, onto your computer and that you agree to pay the company if you infect other people and tarnish their reputation because of it. Literally. It was a very popular service too. I didn't even get to the IP section edit: those terms aren't on their website, so I can't link to them. They are hidden in that tiny, impossible to read box during setup for the desktop installer
- stinkbutt 4y ago
  can you name this company please?
- UberFly 4y ago
  Sounds like fantastic software. Would be nice to know who you're referencing here.
campbel 4y ago
I built this https://github.com/campbel/aieditor https://github.com/campbel/aieditor to test the idea of programming directly with the AI in control. Long story short, VS Code plugin is better IMO.

rco8786 4y ago

> How do you fundamentally build the editor differently if you are thinking about AI from the ground up? Great question. I would love to hear the devs thoughts here. This is one of those questions where my intuition tells me there may be a really great "first principles" type of answer, but I don't know it myself.

prepend 4y ago

I suspect that if the goal is to make money, you want your own ide and don’t want to rely on vscode.

swyx 4y ago

i mean the obvious answer is just being able to do things that the VS Code extension api does not let you do. per the end of the readme: - one step to go from a spec to writing code, run code, debugging itself, install packages, and deploying the code - creates "ephemeral UI" on demand

Haga 4y ago
[dead]

ValentaTomas 4y ago

In essence when working with code stops being the major thing you do (you abstract that away) and start managing the agents working on code and writing the spec, you need new tools and working environment to support that.

Swizec 4y ago
> and start managing the agents working on code ... you need new tools Jira? Only slightly joking. It really sounds like we're moving in the direction of engineers being a more precise technical version of a PM, but then engineers could just learn to speak business and we don't need PMs.
- TallGuyShort 4y ago
  But can the AI, as Office Space said, "talk to the goddamn customers so the engineers don't have to"?
  - toxicFork 4y ago
    I think soon yes
namaria 4y ago
So you lose precision and control?

mlejva 4y ago

Hey! Thanks for the question. Our editor isn't a regular coding editor. You don't actually write code with e2b. You write technical specs and then collaborate with an AI agent. Imagine it more like having a virtual developer at your disposal 24/7. It's built on a completely new paradigms enabled by LLMs. This enables to unlock a lot of new use cases and features but at the same time there's a lot that needs to be built.

walleeee 4y ago
I'm not sure I follow this answer. What are the entirely new paradigms? Writing is still the initial step. If text editing remains a core part of the workflow, why restrict the user's ability to edit code?
- b112 4y ago
  why restrict the user's ability to edit code? Because funky brackets are confusing.
mayank 4y ago
> You don't actually write code with e2b. You write technical specs and then collaborate with an AI agent. If I want to change 1 character of a generated source file, can I just go do that or will I have to figure out how to prompt the change in natural language?
- arthurcolle 4y ago
  I'm sure there would be a way to edit the artifacts... otherwise this would be a constant exercise in frustration!
  - mypalmike 4y ago
    So, not too different from typical real world coding tasks today.
  - RoyGBivCap 4y ago

barbariangrunge 4y ago

If you could use it without submitting data to some ai company, or if it came with a non-disgusting terms of service, that would be a killer feature for me. For example, the last ai company installer I just clicked "decline" to (a few minutes ago) says that you give it permission to download malware, including viruses and trojans, onto your computer and that you agree to pay the company if you infect other people and tarnish their reputation because of it. Literally. It was a very popular service too. I didn't even get to the IP section edit: those terms aren't on their website, so I can't link to them. They are hidden in that tiny, impossible to read box during setup for the desktop installer

stinkbutt 4y ago
can you name this company please?
UberFly 4y ago
Sounds like fantastic software. Would be nice to know who you're referencing here.

campbel 4y ago

I built this https://github.com/campbel/aieditor https://github.com/campbel/aieditor to test the idea of programming directly with the AI in control. Long story short, VS Code plugin is better IMO.