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> I find it weird and a direct provocation, Listen Andrey. Russia has invaded its neighboring countries repeatedly during recent history. I think that's more t

> I find it weird and a direct provocation, Listen Andrey. Russia has invaded its neighboring countries repeatedly during recent history. I think that's more than enough to explain why anyone near Russia would like to be in a defensive pact. I also don't think anyone should be concerned whether Russia finds that "weird" or "a provocation". At all. > the ambitions are not different from the ambitions of Russia The ambition of Russia to invade foreign countries and basically include them in the Russian state? is that the ambition of any NATO country? Which part of a country has been invaded and annexed by a NATO country?

andreygrehov 4y ago
Which countries had Russia invaded prior to the conflict that began early 2007?
- hypertele-Xii 4y ago
  Finland, twice. My grand-grandfather got grenade shrapnel from Russians pouring over the border to murder men, rape women, and steal children.
  - andreygrehov 4y ago
    That was pre-NATO in 1939-44. This counts as history, but not the reason to expand NATO post 2004.
    - sgjohnson 4y ago
      One good reason to expand NATO post-2014 is to just show a massive middle finger to Russia.
- lesuorac 4y ago
  > Which countries has Russia invaded prior to the conflict that began early 2007? Uh, if you have to go back 15 years to find a point where a country isn't invading it's neighbors its going to be super understandable that in the past 15 years countries have wanted to join a defense alliance. Keep in mind, the USSR only collapsed in 1991 so the question you're asking is what aggressive actions has Russia done in the first 26 years of it's existence to make other countries scared of it. Of which you have Chechnya (~1999), Georgia (~2008), Ukraine (~2014).
- alkonaut 4y ago
  Modern wars with Russian invasions are the Chechen wars, the Russo-Georgian war and the Ukrainian war. Of those all are in the 2000's. Not sure why 2007 was the important cutoff here. I'm sure Russia would have invaded two countries per year if it had the capability to actually match the massive imperialist ambitions. Before that, it was the original WW2 formation of the Soviet union with invasions of Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithunia, Czechoslovakia and so on and so forth (which was obviously the whole reason for the existence of NATO). The WW2 and postwar period wasn enough to sway e.g. Sweden to join NATO. Nor were the Afghan, Chechen or Georgian wars. It took the Ukrainan war to really see the veil come off. But in this entire period I don't think there is much in terms of annexations by NATO countries, or countries currently in NATO but before the formation of NATO? Not sure what your comment above really tries to say? Is it "I don't understand how countries in Russias vincinity can be afraid of annexation by their imperialist neighbor, they only invade a country every 5-10 years that's not so bad"? Are you hearing yourself?

andreygrehov 4y ago

Which countries had Russia invaded prior to the conflict that began early 2007?

hypertele-Xii 4y ago
Finland, twice. My grand-grandfather got grenade shrapnel from Russians pouring over the border to murder men, rape women, and steal children.
- andreygrehov 4y ago
  That was pre-NATO in 1939-44. This counts as history, but not the reason to expand NATO post 2004.
  - sgjohnson 4y ago
    One good reason to expand NATO post-2014 is to just show a massive middle finger to Russia.
lesuorac 4y ago
> Which countries has Russia invaded prior to the conflict that began early 2007? Uh, if you have to go back 15 years to find a point where a country isn't invading it's neighbors its going to be super understandable that in the past 15 years countries have wanted to join a defense alliance. Keep in mind, the USSR only collapsed in 1991 so the question you're asking is what aggressive actions has Russia done in the first 26 years of it's existence to make other countries scared of it. Of which you have Chechnya (~1999), Georgia (~2008), Ukraine (~2014).
alkonaut 4y ago
Modern wars with Russian invasions are the Chechen wars, the Russo-Georgian war and the Ukrainian war. Of those all are in the 2000's. Not sure why 2007 was the important cutoff here. I'm sure Russia would have invaded two countries per year if it had the capability to actually match the massive imperialist ambitions. Before that, it was the original WW2 formation of the Soviet union with invasions of Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithunia, Czechoslovakia and so on and so forth (which was obviously the whole reason for the existence of NATO). The WW2 and postwar period wasn enough to sway e.g. Sweden to join NATO. Nor were the Afghan, Chechen or Georgian wars. It took the Ukrainan war to really see the veil come off. But in this entire period I don't think there is much in terms of annexations by NATO countries, or countries currently in NATO but before the formation of NATO? Not sure what your comment above really tries to say? Is it "I don't understand how countries in Russias vincinity can be afraid of annexation by their imperialist neighbor, they only invade a country every 5-10 years that's not so bad"? Are you hearing yourself?