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This is as much a defense policy decision as it is an economic one. Hard for us to get foreign investment living next to a dictatorial warstate unless there's s

This is as much a defense policy decision as it is an economic one. Hard for us to get foreign investment living next to a dictatorial warstate unless there's some risk mitigation in place. Not that I don't trust the FDF, pound-for-pound one of the better military organizations out there. (and a happy member of it myself.)

Convolutional 4y ago
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- pjc50 4y ago
  The Winter War overlapped the 1940s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War > Russia could have rolled into Finland in 1945 Unlikely.
  - jcranmer 4y ago
    The Continuation War ran from 1941 through 1944. Soviet offensives in 1944 had essentially fully exhausted Finnish reserves; although Finland had managed to withstand the final one, they judged that they couldn't withstand one more. At that point, the Finns sued for peace (the peace terms being a slightly upgraded (for the Soviets) version of the treaty at the end of the Winter War). So Russia almost certainly could have rolled into Finland in 1945.
    - Convolutional 4y ago
      The war hawks here think Russia fully mobilized, Russia which pushed the Wehrmacht back to Berlin in 1945 would have had more than minor difficulty taking over Finland in 1945. Perhaps they should read some history books, even US history books. The present may be cloudy, but the 1940s are less so - listen to their hawkish views, then consider how clear their view of history is.
- jnsaff2 4y ago
  That's some mental gymnastics. In one sentence you say: muscovy has no interest in Finland and in the next: now Finland is threatened because they are in NATO. Because now muscovy is interested in them? Because something else?
  - Convolutional 4y ago
    There are no gymnastics - previously Finland and Russia had a diplomatic relationship. Now if Russia has a conflict with one of the Baltic states, Finland is dragged into it. Before a war between Lithuania and Russia would not involve Finland necessarily. Now Finland has pledged a war between Lithuania and Russia would involve Finland. Not many mental gymnastics are needed - to a person who reaches the level of average intelligence any how.
    - jnsaff2 4y ago
      You conveniently omit the part where russia should not have a conflict with any of the states you mentioned. You are just doing the genocidal russia crocodile tears: why can't I invade all the countries? Why everyone so mean that they gang up against me to protect each other?
    - waihtis 4y ago
      You cannot have a diplomatic relationship with a warmonger on a quest to restore the pre-1917 Russian empire - which Finland was a part of. Simple risk management. I suggest you tone down your smug tone of voice as clearly you have an incomplete view of the crisis
    - morkalork 4y ago
      And in what circumstances would Lithuania, a country with population of 2.8M, would be at war with Russia?
      - Convolutional 4y ago
        Under what circumstances would Finland be at war with Russia? Lithuania is in NATO, so Russian conflict with any other NATO member drags Lithuania in.
- antiterra 4y ago
  I wouldn’t say no interest > Dugin proposes that Finland be combined together with the Karelian Autonomous Republic of the Russian Federation into a single ethnoterritorial formation "with maximal cultural autonomy, but with strategic integration into the Eurasian bloc.” The northern regions of Finland, Dugin adds, should be excised and donated to Murmansk oblast' -https://tec.fsi.stanford.edu/docs/aleksandr-dugins-foundations-geopolitics https://tec.fsi.stanford.edu/docs/aleksandr-dugins-foundatio...
- tekla 4y ago
  Are you just straight up ignoring the Soviet-Finnish War?
- coffeebeqn 4y ago
  The last part of this comment makes me realize you have no idea what the Finnish people want. Support for NATO went from 20% to 80% overnight on February 24th. It is actually the exact opposite - the Finnish foreign policy establishment still had traces of Finlandization and “friendship and cooperation treaty” support that was shaken out by the general public.
duxup 4y ago
It’s interesting how those same reasons, depending on the time line, would encourage joining, or not joining…. depending on when you consider them.

Convolutional 4y ago

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pjc50 4y ago
The Winter War overlapped the 1940s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War > Russia could have rolled into Finland in 1945 Unlikely.
- jcranmer 4y ago
  The Continuation War ran from 1941 through 1944. Soviet offensives in 1944 had essentially fully exhausted Finnish reserves; although Finland had managed to withstand the final one, they judged that they couldn't withstand one more. At that point, the Finns sued for peace (the peace terms being a slightly upgraded (for the Soviets) version of the treaty at the end of the Winter War). So Russia almost certainly could have rolled into Finland in 1945.
  - Convolutional 4y ago
    The war hawks here think Russia fully mobilized, Russia which pushed the Wehrmacht back to Berlin in 1945 would have had more than minor difficulty taking over Finland in 1945. Perhaps they should read some history books, even US history books. The present may be cloudy, but the 1940s are less so - listen to their hawkish views, then consider how clear their view of history is.
jnsaff2 4y ago
That's some mental gymnastics. In one sentence you say: muscovy has no interest in Finland and in the next: now Finland is threatened because they are in NATO. Because now muscovy is interested in them? Because something else?
- Convolutional 4y ago
  There are no gymnastics - previously Finland and Russia had a diplomatic relationship. Now if Russia has a conflict with one of the Baltic states, Finland is dragged into it. Before a war between Lithuania and Russia would not involve Finland necessarily. Now Finland has pledged a war between Lithuania and Russia would involve Finland. Not many mental gymnastics are needed - to a person who reaches the level of average intelligence any how.
  - jnsaff2 4y ago
    You conveniently omit the part where russia should not have a conflict with any of the states you mentioned. You are just doing the genocidal russia crocodile tears: why can't I invade all the countries? Why everyone so mean that they gang up against me to protect each other?
  - waihtis 4y ago
    You cannot have a diplomatic relationship with a warmonger on a quest to restore the pre-1917 Russian empire - which Finland was a part of. Simple risk management. I suggest you tone down your smug tone of voice as clearly you have an incomplete view of the crisis
  - morkalork 4y ago
    And in what circumstances would Lithuania, a country with population of 2.8M, would be at war with Russia?
    - Convolutional 4y ago
      Under what circumstances would Finland be at war with Russia? Lithuania is in NATO, so Russian conflict with any other NATO member drags Lithuania in.
antiterra 4y ago
I wouldn’t say no interest > Dugin proposes that Finland be combined together with the Karelian Autonomous Republic of the Russian Federation into a single ethnoterritorial formation "with maximal cultural autonomy, but with strategic integration into the Eurasian bloc.” The northern regions of Finland, Dugin adds, should be excised and donated to Murmansk oblast' -https://tec.fsi.stanford.edu/docs/aleksandr-dugins-foundations-geopolitics https://tec.fsi.stanford.edu/docs/aleksandr-dugins-foundatio...
tekla 4y ago
Are you just straight up ignoring the Soviet-Finnish War?
coffeebeqn 4y ago
The last part of this comment makes me realize you have no idea what the Finnish people want. Support for NATO went from 20% to 80% overnight on February 24th. It is actually the exact opposite - the Finnish foreign policy establishment still had traces of Finlandization and “friendship and cooperation treaty” support that was shaken out by the general public.

duxup 4y ago

It’s interesting how those same reasons, depending on the time line, would encourage joining, or not joining…. depending on when you consider them.