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> the BRICS surpassed the G7 in terms of GDP and more countries are seeking to join. Is "the BRICS" something besides a joint meeting that happens every now an

> the BRICS surpassed the G7 in terms of GDP and more countries are seeking to join. Is "the BRICS" something besides a joint meeting that happens every now and then? What's the point in joining a joint meeting that happens every now and then?

onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
Isn't that what the G7 is? The G7 isn't very important, neither is BRICS. There's just a lot of Americans that want to see America fail because other people have different views than them.
- mrcheesebreeze 4y ago
  Its not that, its more the general feeling of an american decline and an obsession on knowing how it will end. Doomer feelings are growing more prevalent as out population becomes more divided and our monetary situation grows worse. Many americans feel that our "American Empire" that dominated world politics is losing ground fast and there is a need to cope by being "smart" and swearing you know how it will happen. Its pure copium, but it feels good to cope and feel an illusion of control. TL;DR: its a need for control in worsening times, not hatred, that drives the doomer theories of an American collapse.
  - elforce002 4y ago
    Interesting. Will the term "self fulfilling prophecy" apply here? I mean, that's how the stock market work, right? Something or someone introduce fear (impending war, possible crash of the dollar, etc.), get people talking about it causing more uncertainty, and the cycle continues, thus fulfilling the original premise. I'm not a geopolitical expert by any means, but if there was a time to make a move against the US, this would be it for sure. I mean, by the looks of it, the Western doesn't "feel" that hopeful. Just look at the US alone: - Patriotism is on an all time low (per NYT); - Social divide is on an all time high; - Highest inflation in +30 years; - Afghanistan's debacle; - Proxy war with Russia got the American people basically divided between spending that money at home and striking a deal between RU & UA. vs helping Ukraine defeating Russia; - US culture is getting a pushback from other countries (mainly in the African continent) that think the US is trying to impose their morals upon them (it's not that far fetched if you think about it). This is affecting US relations with those countries to the extent that they prefer to align with US "frenemies" instead of the US per se; - US foreign policies pushing together countries that were/are still enemies, bringing forward the old saying `the enemy of my enemy is my "friend"`. This decade will be really interesting, to say the least.
    - onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
      Fun exercise, do the same thing - but for positives: - We'll be basically energy independent in 10 years - Manufacturing is being decentralized and re-shored - Our domination in tech is not slowing - Despite the news, violent crimes are near all-time lows - Education is at an all time high - Low income wages are at recent-history high - Working hours are declining, PTO is going up - Gay rights are at an all time high - Turns out, Russia isn't much of a threat - etc. You see what you want to see. It's a good idea to at least try to see things from the positive and negative sides.
      - elforce002 4y ago
        That's the thing, isn't it? Fear sells, everyone (at least MSM) is stating negative views. "Independent" outlets are stating we're approaching to a global conflict, major economic shifts, etc... What you stated is interesting since you have to dig deeper to look for these news and even doing that, you'll have the majority of people disagreeing with you. Reality is 99% of the world atm is only looking the bad things and forming their conclusions based on that. We're literally watching the power dynamics being "shuffle" and the general perception of the US being shifted right before our eyes. These news have embolden part of the world to take action and move against the US (which is scary if you think about it since the ramifications will affect everyone) and we can say it makes sense since no country can fight all fronts at once (US and Africa, US vs EMEA, US vs China/Russia, etc..). I'm hopeful things will get better and the western world will get its "things" together.
capableweb 4y ago
Yes, members are collaborating closer with each other and also members are a part of BRICS Development Bank which is basically a international bank for all members. I guess you could consider BRICS the closest thing to a rival of G7, but that's of course a simplification, the structures are different.
- ElectricalUnion 4y ago
  > collaborating closer People and countries collaborate on things all the time, not necessarily because of a consultative organization they happen to be in. It's more likely that those countries, they collaborate with each other "despite BRICS", or "despite G7" that because of it. > BRICS Development Bank But the same countries are also part of the International Monetary Fund, a kind-of-bank that is more or less the "G7 Bank" (G7 countries usually hold large ammounts of XDR votes in the IMF) and much more important.

onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago

Isn't that what the G7 is? The G7 isn't very important, neither is BRICS. There's just a lot of Americans that want to see America fail because other people have different views than them.

mrcheesebreeze 4y ago
Its not that, its more the general feeling of an american decline and an obsession on knowing how it will end. Doomer feelings are growing more prevalent as out population becomes more divided and our monetary situation grows worse. Many americans feel that our "American Empire" that dominated world politics is losing ground fast and there is a need to cope by being "smart" and swearing you know how it will happen. Its pure copium, but it feels good to cope and feel an illusion of control. TL;DR: its a need for control in worsening times, not hatred, that drives the doomer theories of an American collapse.
- elforce002 4y ago
  Interesting. Will the term "self fulfilling prophecy" apply here? I mean, that's how the stock market work, right? Something or someone introduce fear (impending war, possible crash of the dollar, etc.), get people talking about it causing more uncertainty, and the cycle continues, thus fulfilling the original premise. I'm not a geopolitical expert by any means, but if there was a time to make a move against the US, this would be it for sure. I mean, by the looks of it, the Western doesn't "feel" that hopeful. Just look at the US alone: - Patriotism is on an all time low (per NYT); - Social divide is on an all time high; - Highest inflation in +30 years; - Afghanistan's debacle; - Proxy war with Russia got the American people basically divided between spending that money at home and striking a deal between RU & UA. vs helping Ukraine defeating Russia; - US culture is getting a pushback from other countries (mainly in the African continent) that think the US is trying to impose their morals upon them (it's not that far fetched if you think about it). This is affecting US relations with those countries to the extent that they prefer to align with US "frenemies" instead of the US per se; - US foreign policies pushing together countries that were/are still enemies, bringing forward the old saying `the enemy of my enemy is my "friend"`. This decade will be really interesting, to say the least.
  - onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
    Fun exercise, do the same thing - but for positives: - We'll be basically energy independent in 10 years - Manufacturing is being decentralized and re-shored - Our domination in tech is not slowing - Despite the news, violent crimes are near all-time lows - Education is at an all time high - Low income wages are at recent-history high - Working hours are declining, PTO is going up - Gay rights are at an all time high - Turns out, Russia isn't much of a threat - etc. You see what you want to see. It's a good idea to at least try to see things from the positive and negative sides.
    - elforce002 4y ago
      That's the thing, isn't it? Fear sells, everyone (at least MSM) is stating negative views. "Independent" outlets are stating we're approaching to a global conflict, major economic shifts, etc... What you stated is interesting since you have to dig deeper to look for these news and even doing that, you'll have the majority of people disagreeing with you. Reality is 99% of the world atm is only looking the bad things and forming their conclusions based on that. We're literally watching the power dynamics being "shuffle" and the general perception of the US being shifted right before our eyes. These news have embolden part of the world to take action and move against the US (which is scary if you think about it since the ramifications will affect everyone) and we can say it makes sense since no country can fight all fronts at once (US and Africa, US vs EMEA, US vs China/Russia, etc..). I'm hopeful things will get better and the western world will get its "things" together.

capableweb 4y ago

Yes, members are collaborating closer with each other and also members are a part of BRICS Development Bank which is basically a international bank for all members. I guess you could consider BRICS the closest thing to a rival of G7, but that's of course a simplification, the structures are different.

ElectricalUnion 4y ago
> collaborating closer People and countries collaborate on things all the time, not necessarily because of a consultative organization they happen to be in. It's more likely that those countries, they collaborate with each other "despite BRICS", or "despite G7" that because of it. > BRICS Development Bank But the same countries are also part of the International Monetary Fund, a kind-of-bank that is more or less the "G7 Bank" (G7 countries usually hold large ammounts of XDR votes in the IMF) and much more important.