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Russia would never attack Ukraine if it was part of Nato.
by madspindel 4y ago
Russia would never attack Ukraine if it was part of Nato.
- sprash 4y ago[flagged]
- tokai 4y agoIs this comment a joke? Do you really believe that?
- wffurr 4y agoWhile the GP is obviously wrong now, that was the common take among analysts prior to the invasion. The underperformance of the Russian military has been stunning to say the least.
- sebzim4500 4y agoWouldn't it be much more effective theater if they actually succeeded? Why pretend to be incompetent?
- sprash 4y ago[flagged]
- khochesh_kushat 4y ago[flagged]
- causi 4y agoIt's not questionable at all. For five percent of the annual US defense budget it has destroyed approximately half the total warmaking capacity of Russia. That's a damn good return on investment.
- timeon 4y ago> Hence there is a backdoor deal between both faction to let the war progress at a very slow pace. And your source is?
- khochesh_kushat 4y agoIt's a funny jump of logic a lot of people make. Sometimes people profit off of war, therefore all wars are secretly arranged by a cabal of war profiteers in back room deals. There's lots of variations but there's often a core true statement that is then used to leap to wild theories without any evidence.
- twixfel 4y agoI find it most ridiculous because ultimately war is hugely, hugely expensive. It doesn't make much sense.
- AnimalMuppet 4y agoIt is. Hugely expensive, and hugely wasteful. But a big part of the expense is buying arms. That means that someone is making and selling those arms. And the seller is doing really good business. I completely disagree with sprash, but you're going too far in the opposite direction. War profits are in fact a thing. It's good business for at least some. Where I disagree with sprash is that I don't believe that those people are the tail that is wagging the dog.
- PurpleRamen 4y agoRussia is the one getting ruined over this war. You really think they do this on purpose? Western economies also suffer to some degree, but at the same time have also great benefits from it.
- majkinetor 4y agoYeah, west is totally honest here, and we don't have a shitshow in Europe curently :S
- scottLobster 4y agoAh, the perennial Russian line that Western militaries are just too expensive to operate for long, and cheap Russian pragmatism will win in the long run. If we can just force them to waste all those expensive missiles on cheap Iranian drones, eventually they'll run out of money! Yeah, maybe if Russia could sustain the effort for 30 years or something, which they can't. We're just that rich.
- mcphage 4y ago> Russia could also take over all of Ukraine in about a week. I think that qualifies for a great big [Citation Needed].
- polski-g 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba
- mcphage 4y agoAnd you feel the most probable outcome of using that is “Russia takes over Ukraine”? You think that’s what would happen?
- polski-g 4y agoIf Russia starts to """lose""" the war, the above is what will happen.
- tokai 4y agoA Soviet experimental nuclear bomb that never was produced outside of a prototype. What is your point?
- tekla 4y agoYou understand Russia doesn't have these bombs because it was judged to be impractical?
- cartermatic 4y agoThey've been trying for ~13months already and haven't done so, why do you think they could do it now? Especially after losing 150,000+ soldiers (dead and/or wounded), and thousands of tanks and other armored vehicles? They've lost tens of thousands of troops and dozens/hundreds of vehicles just trying to take one town since August (Bakhmut).
- sprash 4y agoFog of war. You can't know what is happening. The only numbers I believe is the additional cost in $ and € the western taxpayer is burdened with. Because that is guaranteed.
- ben_w 4y agoBe as precise as possible, exactly what number of £€$ do you believe the western taxpayers are burdened with?
- KptMarchewa 4y agoTime to look up some other numbers, like 9970 photo documented destroyed and captured pieces of russian equipment. https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-docum...
- emaginniss 4y agoThis is the least foggy war of all time. There is a constant barrage of tiktok and telegram videos of exactly what is going on in this war. Every video is geolocated to show where battles are taking place. We don't know what is going to happen, but we pretty well know what is happening.
- PurpleRamen 4y agoThey could push more soldiers and machines to war, make a zerg-rush on Ukraine with everything they have, going in an all-out war. Going by the known numbers, Russia's army should have/had(?) 4-5 times the size of Ukraine's army, or something like that. Of course, this would be very expensive to bring back their army from all around the world. They would lose all strategic positions they have, and would probably still suffer great loses... But they could (maybe) conquer that single country, or relevant parts of it. Just, would it be worth?
- neerd 4y agoYeah, I’m not sure what timeline you’re posting from, but in this one the Russian invasion isn’t going so well.
- PurpleRamen 4y agoWith what? They have barely anything worthy left at this point. And their remaining money is melting like ice in the desert