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There's a short-term effect there that might be positive, but a long-term effect that would be negative. There's a reason that a lot of companies won't hire in
by sokoloff 4y ago
There's a short-term effect there that might be positive, but a long-term effect that would be negative.
There's a reason that a lot of companies won't hire in France or other specific locales where the difficulty in getting out of an employment relationship is so high that it makes it undesirable to get into that relationship in the first place.
- theGnuMe 4y agoYes but you do actually want access to the French market so you will likely need employees in France.
- alephnerd 4y agoYou hire the bare minimum. Also, the French market is within the EU/EEA, so there's always Switzerland right next door (plus CH also supports German and Italian markets so you can merge your DACH, Francophone, and Italian operations in one country).
- figassis 4y agoI always thought that, redundancies aside, bare minimum was the only way to hire. So why should France want a company to hire 100x more engineers than it needs (and can/will fire at the slightest earnings glitch). This goes for all countries.
- sokoloff 4y agoDoes France not have income taxes? Taxing the income of Google engineers seems fairly attractive to me.
- nordsieck 4y ago> I always thought that, redundancies aside, bare minimum was the only way to hire. So why should France want a company to hire 100x more engineers than it needs (and can/will fire at the slightest earnings glitch). Some jobs are location dependent (e.g. plumber). Some jobs are location independent (e.g. software engineer). While it's true that globally, a company will hire a minimum number of total jobs, most countries would prefer that as many high paying, location independent jobs be done within their borders.
- 908B64B197 4y ago> so you will likely need employees in France. A few but not a lot. You would need a corporate entity, a sales team if you do B2B or want to get government contracts and a few employees to deal with the special snowflakes regulations and keep up with what the bureaucrats are making up. But you don't need engineers specifically in France. Even localization can be contracted out, since it's a well defined scope. Not only that, but France is right next to Switzerland where there's a concentration of French engineering talent. That and, it's relatively straightforward for these guys to just transfer to the Bay Area.
- brap 4y agoBingo. Google wasn’t able to layoff anyone in France. What a great win, right? Well. Once they decide they need to close off a site, where do you think France will be on that list? Or if things are going good and they want to hire an additional 5K engineers, do you think France is a good candidate? All of this ultimately leads to fewer jobs and lower wages. Just look at tech wages in France. When you sabotage doing business in your country, you’re shooting yourself in the foot.
- pyrale 4y ago> Just look at tech wages in France. I'm happy to have a wage that lets me live comfortably instead of royally, if that means other people live decently instead of precariously.