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> 1990. nato makes the not one inch eastward promise Never happened. In fact, Russia and NATO have explicitly in writing (1997 treaty) that they respect the ri
by mopsi 4y ago
> 1990. nato makes the not one inch eastward promise
Never happened. In fact, Russia and NATO have explicitly in writing (1997 treaty) that they respect the right of third parties to seek security as they see fit. Nor did Russia ever bring it up until Putin needed a justification for invading Georgia.
Even any notion of such talks is absurd, given that you place it a year before the USSR collapsed. Collapse of the USSR and parts of it applying for NATO (and eventually becoming members) was inconceivable at the time. As participants have recollected, the context of talks at the time was German reunification and stationing NATO forces in Eastern Germany. Nobody could imagine that the USSR itself would soon cease to exist.
This directly ties to another point:
> 2004. nato expands into ex-ussr, taking baltic states as members
(1) NATO didn't "expand", but those countries were hell-bent on seeking security to protect themselves from getting occupied ever again through cooperation in international organizations. That was set as a foreign policy goal in 1993.
(2) How did Putin react to that in 2004 when he met Schröder days after the Baltics became full members of NATO? He said that it's fine, never brought up any alleged promises. http://www.en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/30678 http://www.en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/30678
- medo-bear 4y agocool story bro. russia bad nato good. if nato do something bad it is for good reason or it didnt happen or russia was behind it some people just cant shake totalitarian frame of mind
- mopsi 4y agoYup, pretty hard to come up with a meaningful reply when Daddy Putin said at the time that it was fine. Even hardcore Russian nationalists have grown tired of Putin's constant whining how the whole world has now wronged him: https://youtu.be/DRE8f5JzDAE https://youtu.be/DRE8f5JzDAE
- medo-bear 4y agoapparently unlike you, i dont pay much attention to what putin says. all you said in your last post is that something which clearly happened didnt in order to more nicely fit with your world view. hard to argue with that so i will leave it at that. an internet discussion is highly unlikely to change the course of events. my reason for posting is just to show that there exist people who think differently. but i guess to people like you i must be a paid foreign agent. uncle joe taught you well
- hdjjhhvvhga 4y agoWell, even your main propagandists had a healthy frame of mind some years ago: https://twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1580124465664790528 https://twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/15801244656647905... It's not that Russia was always bad - there was a period when people really hope we could all live together in peace, Scorpions even recorded a song about it.