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As cousin comment points out, these were the days of styrofoam cups. They are far more efficient heat insulators than today’s standard paper cups. Typically pe

As cousin comment points out, these were the days of styrofoam cups. They are far more efficient heat insulators than today’s standard paper cups. Typically people do not drink coffee at boiling temperature, for the reason that it would burn their mouths and tongues if they did. Perhaps instead of blaming the victim, you might try to sympathize. Third degree burns to the genitals would be life-destroying.

saiya-jin 4y ago
Well these are well known facts to any kid who is beyond first experience with styrofoam cups, heck apart from appalling chemistry being leaked into drink, I do actually prefer cups that keep temperature longer when ordering drinks. That's the whole purpose if styrofoam here. Heck, there is whole business around thermal mugs for exactly this purpose. Same would be valid for standard tea - you start with cca 100C and its actually how it should be. If you don't like it hot, order something else or go someplace else. If we would be talking about case of little kid not knowing this type of cup burning themselves, even way less than she did, then that's a completely different story. Or was she also somehow mentally impaired to not understand hot=bad in groin? But as facts are presented, people do themselves harm with stuff that is well known and expected to cause harm. If I let chainsaw in my lap and accidentally start it somehow via normal way it should be started, well that would be also life-changing injury, and result of my utter stupidity and nothing else. I do get I could sue the company making it, and if in US I can actually win but that's ridiculous. Sorry, as much as I hate corporations including McDonald for many, many of their transgressions, this one is properly ridiculous even with all the facts stated and all the time passed. There is no end to people getting themselves injured or killed every single effin' day, even right now, doing stupid things with dangerous stuff. Some internet sites are just endless daily streams of records of that, and its pretty damn crazy. So instead of lesson being 'be careful with dangerous stuff, the dangerous part is serious', we bend reality backwards so hot coffee is not hot, just warm, because somebody will put it in their laps, or throw it on another person, or will pour it over their face. Instead of saying ie - McDonald, please present 2 types of cups, one for people like me, call it 'hot that lasts' and charge extra 20c for it as an added value, and another 'warm coffee that won't burn ya even if you shower in it'. I really don't see actual moral lesson for McDonald in this case. A little bit of personal responsibility expected from citizens would be much, much better lesson for society as a whole.
- thebooktocome 4y ago
  Nobody drinks tea anywhere near 100C; that’s absurd. Ideal tea drinking temperature is between 57 and 65C, anything higher risks throat damage [1]. All but the blackest teas will fail to brew if held at 100C for the duration of steeping. [1] https://letsdrinktea.com/what-is-the-right-temperature-for-drinking-tea/ https://letsdrinktea.com/what-is-the-right-temperature-for-d...
  - onethought 4y ago
    You’re moving the goal posts. How many people boil water to make tea? They pour it hot and they know it’s hot and they wait. No one steeps tea in a kettle, so the “holding at 100c” is not relevant.
johnwalkr 4y ago
Also crappy lids. The modern ones have a kind of button that you push and it doesn't really exert an upwards force on the lid. In those days, you had to peel part of the plastic up and away from the lid and it was easy to take the lid off by accident. I don't think that was a major part of the lawsuit, but practically anyone who was a teen or adult in North America at the same time had an experience of spilling McDonalds coffee or hot chocolate.
onethought 4y ago
Not victim blaming. Point out when you order a drink made with boiling water. It’s boiling water. I don’t think it’s the victims fault, nor do I think it’s McDonald’s fault. Seems hard for people to comprehend an ”accident”
bryanrasmussen 4y ago
I used to get McDonald's coffee back in those days (to go to work digging ditches), and it was incredibly irritating how long it would take for the damn stuff to cool down so it didn't burn your mouth. Since I have ADHD and a low tolerance for waiting for my caffeine I would drink it, burn the skin of the inside of my mouth, curse out McDonalds, and continue drinking because caffeine!

saiya-jin 4y ago

Well these are well known facts to any kid who is beyond first experience with styrofoam cups, heck apart from appalling chemistry being leaked into drink, I do actually prefer cups that keep temperature longer when ordering drinks. That's the whole purpose if styrofoam here. Heck, there is whole business around thermal mugs for exactly this purpose. Same would be valid for standard tea - you start with cca 100C and its actually how it should be. If you don't like it hot, order something else or go someplace else. If we would be talking about case of little kid not knowing this type of cup burning themselves, even way less than she did, then that's a completely different story. Or was she also somehow mentally impaired to not understand hot=bad in groin? But as facts are presented, people do themselves harm with stuff that is well known and expected to cause harm. If I let chainsaw in my lap and accidentally start it somehow via normal way it should be started, well that would be also life-changing injury, and result of my utter stupidity and nothing else. I do get I could sue the company making it, and if in US I can actually win but that's ridiculous. Sorry, as much as I hate corporations including McDonald for many, many of their transgressions, this one is properly ridiculous even with all the facts stated and all the time passed. There is no end to people getting themselves injured or killed every single effin' day, even right now, doing stupid things with dangerous stuff. Some internet sites are just endless daily streams of records of that, and its pretty damn crazy. So instead of lesson being 'be careful with dangerous stuff, the dangerous part is serious', we bend reality backwards so hot coffee is not hot, just warm, because somebody will put it in their laps, or throw it on another person, or will pour it over their face. Instead of saying ie - McDonald, please present 2 types of cups, one for people like me, call it 'hot that lasts' and charge extra 20c for it as an added value, and another 'warm coffee that won't burn ya even if you shower in it'. I really don't see actual moral lesson for McDonald in this case. A little bit of personal responsibility expected from citizens would be much, much better lesson for society as a whole.

thebooktocome 4y ago
Nobody drinks tea anywhere near 100C; that’s absurd. Ideal tea drinking temperature is between 57 and 65C, anything higher risks throat damage [1]. All but the blackest teas will fail to brew if held at 100C for the duration of steeping. [1] https://letsdrinktea.com/what-is-the-right-temperature-for-drinking-tea/ https://letsdrinktea.com/what-is-the-right-temperature-for-d...
- onethought 4y ago
  You’re moving the goal posts. How many people boil water to make tea? They pour it hot and they know it’s hot and they wait. No one steeps tea in a kettle, so the “holding at 100c” is not relevant.

johnwalkr 4y ago

Also crappy lids. The modern ones have a kind of button that you push and it doesn't really exert an upwards force on the lid. In those days, you had to peel part of the plastic up and away from the lid and it was easy to take the lid off by accident. I don't think that was a major part of the lawsuit, but practically anyone who was a teen or adult in North America at the same time had an experience of spilling McDonalds coffee or hot chocolate.

onethought 4y ago

Not victim blaming. Point out when you order a drink made with boiling water. It’s boiling water. I don’t think it’s the victims fault, nor do I think it’s McDonald’s fault. Seems hard for people to comprehend an ”accident”

bryanrasmussen 4y ago

I used to get McDonald's coffee back in those days (to go to work digging ditches), and it was incredibly irritating how long it would take for the damn stuff to cool down so it didn't burn your mouth. Since I have ADHD and a low tolerance for waiting for my caffeine I would drink it, burn the skin of the inside of my mouth, curse out McDonalds, and continue drinking because caffeine!