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> Pain is a fact of life I see you have never been in any real pain, ever. What do you get for cancer in Germany? Still ibuprofen? There's a reason opioids ex

by sho 4y ago

> Pain is a fact of life I see you have never been in any real pain, ever. What do you get for cancer in Germany? Still ibuprofen? There's a reason opioids exist and were such a revolution in medicine. They really work. Ibuprofen et al are fine for what they are, but anti-inflammatories can only do so much. We should be able to solve the over-prescribing and addiction issues as a society without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

rejectfinite 4y ago
Broken boke pain and cancer pain seems very different. Sweden sounds the same as germany, you get 800mg ibuprofen and normal 500mg paracetamol. We DO have opioids for cancer pain.
drw85 4y ago
How familiar does the following sound to you? "I've had some back pain and got prescribed opiates, now i'm addicted" We're not talking about getting some opiates after surgery or severe and mostly rare things. Americans get opiates for all kinds of small inconveniences, like a wisdom tooth removal, or some back pain. Opiates don't heal or fix back pains. They just mask the symptoms and create a new problem. I've been in a lot of pain in my life and never took any opiates, because they are reserved for extreme situations where i live. In america, i would have had easy access to prescriptions for those in most cases. We have no opiate crisis here.
- throwaway1851 4y ago
  I’ve had opiates for wisdom tooth extraction and a couple of relatively minor but very painful injuries. I was very glad to have them. They made the experiences much more bearable. I did not experience any addiction issues, and I’m glad that my access to these medications was not limited due to some people’s inability to handle them. I really don’t think forcing needless suffering on everyone is the answer to this problem.
  - the_mar 4y ago
    Opiates for wisdom teeth extraction are entirely unnecessary. Source: had six very painful teeth extractions, with bone grafts and two sinus repairs. I was almost pain-free on 600mg ibuprofen + 600mg acetaminophen every 6 or so hours. I say "almost" because I was not dumb enough to try any type of exercise, or eating crunchy cereal, but I had no problem falling and staying asleep or going back to work in 24 hours. So I am not entirely sure why you think opiates were necessary or provided you the type of relief that OTC meds could not provide. My double-board-certified, extremely expensive dental surgeon doesn't seem to think so. I also had abdominal surgery, for which I can concur opiates do help quite a bit, which is entirely separate story.
the_mar 4y ago
Who is suggesting ibuprofen for cancer? Come on now. There is absolutely time and place for narcotic pain killers. But there are a lot of doctors prescribing them for really minor things. Few years ago I got vicodin after a root canal. It was baffling
carlmr 4y ago
>I see you have never been in any real pain, ever. What do you get for cancer in Germany? Still ibuprofen? I guess not. My point still stands though. Americans in Germany whine all the time about not getting "proper" pain medication. It's an attitude problem. I have been in pain multiple times, mostly broken bones, wisdom teeth, tendons and the like, and in the moment it doesn't feel good to only get ibuprofen. But most pain is not too much to take and it's ok for you to feel it. It's better than getting an addiction problem for life. As you say it's an over-prescribing issue. Keep opioids only for extreme pain. Not for normal pain.
- galleywest200 4y ago
  I would much prefer to be given more than ibuprofen for surgery, thanks. Have you have had tumor removed from your body? That would hurt like the dickens with just some tylenol and no real pain meds or anesthesia. > If you accept these two basic facts you don't have an opioid crisis anymore. This is an incredibly simplistic view of a very complex issue.
  - carlmr 4y ago
    >I would much prefer to be given more than ibuprofen for surgery, thanks. If you didn't read my response why should I care? >This is an incredibly simplistic view of a very complex issue. It's backed by facts though. You can't give out opioids like candy and expect people to be responsible with them.
  - the_mar 4y ago
    Why is it so hard to understand? I don’t think anyone here is saying there is no legitimate use for narcotic pain killers. If anyone is in huge amount of pain, by all means, take what you need. However it should almost never be default first line pain management outside of the hospital. People don’t give ibuprofen enough credit.

by sho 4y ago

rejectfinite 4y ago

Broken boke pain and cancer pain seems very different. Sweden sounds the same as germany, you get 800mg ibuprofen and normal 500mg paracetamol. We DO have opioids for cancer pain.

drw85 4y ago

How familiar does the following sound to you? "I've had some back pain and got prescribed opiates, now i'm addicted" We're not talking about getting some opiates after surgery or severe and mostly rare things. Americans get opiates for all kinds of small inconveniences, like a wisdom tooth removal, or some back pain. Opiates don't heal or fix back pains. They just mask the symptoms and create a new problem. I've been in a lot of pain in my life and never took any opiates, because they are reserved for extreme situations where i live. In america, i would have had easy access to prescriptions for those in most cases. We have no opiate crisis here.

throwaway1851 4y ago
I’ve had opiates for wisdom tooth extraction and a couple of relatively minor but very painful injuries. I was very glad to have them. They made the experiences much more bearable. I did not experience any addiction issues, and I’m glad that my access to these medications was not limited due to some people’s inability to handle them. I really don’t think forcing needless suffering on everyone is the answer to this problem.
- the_mar 4y ago
  Opiates for wisdom teeth extraction are entirely unnecessary. Source: had six very painful teeth extractions, with bone grafts and two sinus repairs. I was almost pain-free on 600mg ibuprofen + 600mg acetaminophen every 6 or so hours. I say "almost" because I was not dumb enough to try any type of exercise, or eating crunchy cereal, but I had no problem falling and staying asleep or going back to work in 24 hours. So I am not entirely sure why you think opiates were necessary or provided you the type of relief that OTC meds could not provide. My double-board-certified, extremely expensive dental surgeon doesn't seem to think so. I also had abdominal surgery, for which I can concur opiates do help quite a bit, which is entirely separate story.

the_mar 4y ago

Who is suggesting ibuprofen for cancer? Come on now. There is absolutely time and place for narcotic pain killers. But there are a lot of doctors prescribing them for really minor things. Few years ago I got vicodin after a root canal. It was baffling

carlmr 4y ago

>I see you have never been in any real pain, ever. What do you get for cancer in Germany? Still ibuprofen? I guess not. My point still stands though. Americans in Germany whine all the time about not getting "proper" pain medication. It's an attitude problem. I have been in pain multiple times, mostly broken bones, wisdom teeth, tendons and the like, and in the moment it doesn't feel good to only get ibuprofen. But most pain is not too much to take and it's ok for you to feel it. It's better than getting an addiction problem for life. As you say it's an over-prescribing issue. Keep opioids only for extreme pain. Not for normal pain.

galleywest200 4y ago
I would much prefer to be given more than ibuprofen for surgery, thanks. Have you have had tumor removed from your body? That would hurt like the dickens with just some tylenol and no real pain meds or anesthesia. > If you accept these two basic facts you don't have an opioid crisis anymore. This is an incredibly simplistic view of a very complex issue.
- carlmr 4y ago
  >I would much prefer to be given more than ibuprofen for surgery, thanks. If you didn't read my response why should I care? >This is an incredibly simplistic view of a very complex issue. It's backed by facts though. You can't give out opioids like candy and expect people to be responsible with them.
- the_mar 4y ago
  Why is it so hard to understand? I don’t think anyone here is saying there is no legitimate use for narcotic pain killers. If anyone is in huge amount of pain, by all means, take what you need. However it should almost never be default first line pain management outside of the hospital. People don’t give ibuprofen enough credit.