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No your numbers are wrong (1) by an order of magnitude. The cost per smartphone equivalent CPU will be around $1 and that’s for the whole design not the ISA. [
by klelatti 4y ago
No your numbers are wrong (1) by an order of magnitude. The cost per smartphone equivalent CPU will be around $1 and that’s for the whole design not the ISA.
[1] tens of millions is wrong and it clearly not true that Arm charges ‘as much as $10’ for an SBC that will cost $40 retail.
- brucehoult 4y agoThere are phones that cost $1000. Apple sells 70 or 80 million phones per quarter and they are only a small fraction of the market. Android phones sell over a billion a year.
- klelatti 4y agoSo if there are over a billion phones sold per year Arm clearly don’t charge anywhere near $10 per smartphone CPU.
- brucehoult 4y agoNot on average, obviously. But most phones sold are low end. I bet Arm gets a lot more than $1 from ARMv9 Snapdragon 8 gen 1/2 with the very latest cores.
- klelatti 4y agoSo you’re complaining that Arm make more than a dollar on the latest multi core CPU on an absolutely top end smartphone that retails for probably near $1000. Seems like a perfectly reasonable deal to me!
- brucehoult 4y agoWho is complaining? I'm merely pointing out that not all those cores are licensed for 10c each. Many go for a lot less, some go for a lot more. It's been a struggle but I'd glad we agree on that now. Now we can discuss what the scope is for RISC-V companies to charge for cores or chips. Jim Keller said yesterday that in 2024 his company will have an 8-wide RISC-V core, on a chip, that performs on a par with Apple M1/M2 and Zen 5. Performance gap between RISC-V and x86 down to zero. I suspect that in 2024 he means expensive shuttle run chips. But working and able to be demoed. Mass-production chips are usually 12-24 months later.