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Some people think racism is bad, and that doing bad things should have some kind of repercussions and that companies have responsibilities around what happens i

Some people think racism is bad, and that doing bad things should have some kind of repercussions and that companies have responsibilities around what happens in the workplace. Shocking I know.

polski-g 3y ago
Well then the individuals who did the "bad things" should be punished, not Tesla.
- throwmeaway1212 3y ago
  Companies have a responsibility to make sure harassment doesn't take place. 'Failing to provide a work environment free of racial harassment is a form of discrimination' see https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/section-15-race-and-color-discrimination#VIIA https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/section-15-race-and-color... Similar to unsafe work places, such as if an accident occurs at work then the business can be held responsible for not caring about safety.
encryptluks2 3y ago
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nine_k 3y ago
Racism created so many problems in the US, including a devastating civil war with 2M casualties, that what seems like an over-reaction is understandable. It's the "nuke it from the orbit" option. Yes, nuking things from the orbit does have downsides, if you ask me. But if this imperfect tool is something that reliably prevents a new crop of Jim Crow laws, I can tolerate some fallout. (If you think that people are now "civilized by default", and "it can't possibly happen again", look at the Texas abortion law, for instance.)
- throwmeaway1212 3y ago
  fully agree
- notch898a 3y ago
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  - markdown 3y ago
    It shouldn't even be a US State. Stolen land that should be returned.
    - onos 3y ago
      Which state in the world wasn’t stolen from someone else at some point in time?
  - nine_k 3y ago
    This is not exactly great, but not as terrible as sundown towns, segregation in schools and in transport, or denying the right to vote. The US do have problems with large swaths of its Black population, and most of them are, to my mind, (self-)inflicted by segregation and oppression policies ranging from 1880s to 1950s.
  - vkou 3y ago
    Having been to Hawai'i a few times, and having seen how the native population, versus the settlers are doing, I must say, if being a settler in Hawai'i is what life under Jim Crow was, it must have all been rainbows and unicorns and sunshine. It obviously wasn't, but it's always good to see someone point to the stipulations of an indigenous treaty, while closing both eyes to the context in which it was drafted[1]... Or to the broader context of systemic discrimination that is very actively pissing on people, to this very day. [1] Reparations for specific, not theoretical damages inflicted on indigenous Hawai'ian people by the government of the United States. But good on you for finding a theoretical[2] loophole! Look, everyone, feast your eyes - Europeans were actually the real victims of discrimination in Hawai'i, circa 1920! [2] Presumably, there's some European person, somewhere [3], that can prove that half of their family tree[4] traces back to direct decadency from a non-settler European who lived on Hawai'i prior to 1778, and would like to be a beneficiary of the treaty, but isn't actually protected by it! [3] Somewhere next to a spherical cow, and other pedantic, but utterly theoretical oddities. [4] Unless you mean to tell us that there was some self-sustaining, secret isolated enclave of Europeans that have lived on Hawai'i prior to 1788, that only intermarried between eachother, I would expect that after a century and a half of intermarriage with native Hawai'ians, nobody either in 1920, or today would ever be able to tell the difference between that 'European' and a native.

Some people think racism is bad, and that doing bad things should have some kind of repercussions and that companies have responsibilities around what happens in the workplace. Shocking I know.

polski-g 3y ago

Well then the individuals who did the "bad things" should be punished, not Tesla.

throwmeaway1212 3y ago
Companies have a responsibility to make sure harassment doesn't take place. 'Failing to provide a work environment free of racial harassment is a form of discrimination' see https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/section-15-race-and-color-discrimination#VIIA https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/section-15-race-and-color... Similar to unsafe work places, such as if an accident occurs at work then the business can be held responsible for not caring about safety.

encryptluks2 3y ago

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nine_k 3y ago

Racism created so many problems in the US, including a devastating civil war with 2M casualties, that what seems like an over-reaction is understandable. It's the "nuke it from the orbit" option. Yes, nuking things from the orbit does have downsides, if you ask me. But if this imperfect tool is something that reliably prevents a new crop of Jim Crow laws, I can tolerate some fallout. (If you think that people are now "civilized by default", and "it can't possibly happen again", look at the Texas abortion law, for instance.)

throwmeaway1212 3y ago
fully agree
notch898a 3y ago
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- markdown 3y ago
  It shouldn't even be a US State. Stolen land that should be returned.
  - onos 3y ago
    Which state in the world wasn’t stolen from someone else at some point in time?
- nine_k 3y ago
  This is not exactly great, but not as terrible as sundown towns, segregation in schools and in transport, or denying the right to vote. The US do have problems with large swaths of its Black population, and most of them are, to my mind, (self-)inflicted by segregation and oppression policies ranging from 1880s to 1950s.
- vkou 3y ago
  Having been to Hawai'i a few times, and having seen how the native population, versus the settlers are doing, I must say, if being a settler in Hawai'i is what life under Jim Crow was, it must have all been rainbows and unicorns and sunshine. It obviously wasn't, but it's always good to see someone point to the stipulations of an indigenous treaty, while closing both eyes to the context in which it was drafted[1]... Or to the broader context of systemic discrimination that is very actively pissing on people, to this very day. [1] Reparations for specific, not theoretical damages inflicted on indigenous Hawai'ian people by the government of the United States. But good on you for finding a theoretical[2] loophole! Look, everyone, feast your eyes - Europeans were actually the real victims of discrimination in Hawai'i, circa 1920! [2] Presumably, there's some European person, somewhere [3], that can prove that half of their family tree[4] traces back to direct decadency from a non-settler European who lived on Hawai'i prior to 1778, and would like to be a beneficiary of the treaty, but isn't actually protected by it! [3] Somewhere next to a spherical cow, and other pedantic, but utterly theoretical oddities. [4] Unless you mean to tell us that there was some self-sustaining, secret isolated enclave of Europeans that have lived on Hawai'i prior to 1788, that only intermarried between eachother, I would expect that after a century and a half of intermarriage with native Hawai'ians, nobody either in 1920, or today would ever be able to tell the difference between that 'European' and a native.