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Have you suffered excruciating pain for multiple days in a row? Non stop? Like so bad that your muscles recoil in horror that then causes even more pain in a re

Have you suffered excruciating pain for multiple days in a row? Non stop? Like so bad that your muscles recoil in horror that then causes even more pain in a recursive loop of horror?

carlmr 4y ago
Actually yes, in Germany if you break your bones you get ibuprofen, if you get your wisdom teeth pulled, you get ibuprofen. We don't have an opioid crisis anymore. Pain is a fact of life. The problem in the US is that there's the expectation to work the next day. It's ok to be in pain, it's also ok to miss out on work. If you accept these two basic facts you don't have an opioid crisis anymore.
- the_mar 4y ago
  Actually in the US you also get ibuprofen. I had very invasive jaw surgery and sinus repair. It hurt. I got 600mg ibuprofen and 600mg acetaminophen for the pain every 4-6 hours. It definitively took pain down to tolerable levels.
  - sterlind 4y ago
    as a counterexample, I had an infected tooth over the weekend. I took ibuprofen and acetaminophen around the clock, and it did jack shit. I was lying in bed and whimpering in pain, so close to going to the ER, but I knew they wouldn't do anything for me. I actually have mild PTSD about that incident. It was the second-worst pain I've experienced in my life, and it wouldn't stop.
    - the_mar 4y ago
      Question 1: how much did you take? Question 2: what makes you think opioids treat infections?
      - sterlind 4y ago
        1. 1000mg acetaminophen every 6 hours, 600mg ibuprofen every 4 hours. 2. I expect opioids treat the pain from infection. it was the weekend and I had to suffer through the weekend before seeing the dentist.
- renewiltord 4y ago
  Ibuprofen is a poor substitute for opioids. You can keep your life and I think I'll accept the opioid crisis then, if the trade off is what you say. Some other people may die, but that is a price I'm willing to pay.
  - the_mar 4y ago
    You what? Did you really just say “other people may die but that is a price I’m willing to pay”? Like you’re in charge of who dies and who lives or something
    - A7C3D5 4y ago
      Oh I absolutely agree with him. The opioid crisis is tragic but denying people medication for their injuries, illnesses, mental health (adhd) in a completely ineffective attempt to curb a crisis that is mainly caused by the importation of cheap fentanyl analogs is the greater of two evils.
- sho 4y ago
  > Pain is a fact of life I see you have never been in any real pain, ever. What do you get for cancer in Germany? Still ibuprofen? There's a reason opioids exist and were such a revolution in medicine. They really work. Ibuprofen et al are fine for what they are, but anti-inflammatories can only do so much. We should be able to solve the over-prescribing and addiction issues as a society without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
  - rejectfinite 4y ago
    Broken boke pain and cancer pain seems very different. Sweden sounds the same as germany, you get 800mg ibuprofen and normal 500mg paracetamol. We DO have opioids for cancer pain.
  - drw85 4y ago
    How familiar does the following sound to you? "I've had some back pain and got prescribed opiates, now i'm addicted" We're not talking about getting some opiates after surgery or severe and mostly rare things. Americans get opiates for all kinds of small inconveniences, like a wisdom tooth removal, or some back pain. Opiates don't heal or fix back pains. They just mask the symptoms and create a new problem. I've been in a lot of pain in my life and never took any opiates, because they are reserved for extreme situations where i live. In america, i would have had easy access to prescriptions for those in most cases. We have no opiate crisis here.
    - throwaway1851 4y ago
      I’ve had opiates for wisdom tooth extraction and a couple of relatively minor but very painful injuries. I was very glad to have them. They made the experiences much more bearable. I did not experience any addiction issues, and I’m glad that my access to these medications was not limited due to some people’s inability to handle them. I really don’t think forcing needless suffering on everyone is the answer to this problem.
      - the_mar 4y ago
        Opiates for wisdom teeth extraction are entirely unnecessary. Source: had six very painful teeth extractions, with bone grafts and two sinus repairs. I was almost pain-free on 600mg ibuprofen + 600mg acetaminophen every 6 or so hours. I say "almost" because I was not dumb enough to try any type of exercise, or eating crunchy cereal, but I had no problem falling and staying asleep or going back to work in 24 hours. So I am not entirely sure why you think opiates were necessary or provided you the type of relief that OTC meds could not provide. My double-board-certified, extremely expensive dental surgeon doesn't seem to think so. I also had abdominal surgery, for which I can concur opiates do help quite a bit, which is entirely separate story.
- pyinstallwoes 4y ago
  Breaking a bone doesn’t perpetually hurt like a Charlie horse that never stops tightening. Gout for example in the big toe can be the most painful experience ever, speaking as someone who’s been in many accidents. It can last several days, it feels like a shark biting your toe off every second.

Have you suffered excruciating pain for multiple days in a row? Non stop? Like so bad that your muscles recoil in horror that then causes even more pain in a recursive loop of horror?

carlmr 4y ago

Actually yes, in Germany if you break your bones you get ibuprofen, if you get your wisdom teeth pulled, you get ibuprofen. We don't have an opioid crisis anymore. Pain is a fact of life. The problem in the US is that there's the expectation to work the next day. It's ok to be in pain, it's also ok to miss out on work. If you accept these two basic facts you don't have an opioid crisis anymore.

the_mar 4y ago
Actually in the US you also get ibuprofen. I had very invasive jaw surgery and sinus repair. It hurt. I got 600mg ibuprofen and 600mg acetaminophen for the pain every 4-6 hours. It definitively took pain down to tolerable levels.
- sterlind 4y ago
  as a counterexample, I had an infected tooth over the weekend. I took ibuprofen and acetaminophen around the clock, and it did jack shit. I was lying in bed and whimpering in pain, so close to going to the ER, but I knew they wouldn't do anything for me. I actually have mild PTSD about that incident. It was the second-worst pain I've experienced in my life, and it wouldn't stop.
  - the_mar 4y ago
    Question 1: how much did you take? Question 2: what makes you think opioids treat infections?
    - sterlind 4y ago
      1. 1000mg acetaminophen every 6 hours, 600mg ibuprofen every 4 hours. 2. I expect opioids treat the pain from infection. it was the weekend and I had to suffer through the weekend before seeing the dentist.
renewiltord 4y ago
Ibuprofen is a poor substitute for opioids. You can keep your life and I think I'll accept the opioid crisis then, if the trade off is what you say. Some other people may die, but that is a price I'm willing to pay.
- the_mar 4y ago
  You what? Did you really just say “other people may die but that is a price I’m willing to pay”? Like you’re in charge of who dies and who lives or something
  - A7C3D5 4y ago
    Oh I absolutely agree with him. The opioid crisis is tragic but denying people medication for their injuries, illnesses, mental health (adhd) in a completely ineffective attempt to curb a crisis that is mainly caused by the importation of cheap fentanyl analogs is the greater of two evils.
sho 4y ago
> Pain is a fact of life I see you have never been in any real pain, ever. What do you get for cancer in Germany? Still ibuprofen? There's a reason opioids exist and were such a revolution in medicine. They really work. Ibuprofen et al are fine for what they are, but anti-inflammatories can only do so much. We should be able to solve the over-prescribing and addiction issues as a society without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
- rejectfinite 4y ago
  Broken boke pain and cancer pain seems very different. Sweden sounds the same as germany, you get 800mg ibuprofen and normal 500mg paracetamol. We DO have opioids for cancer pain.
- drw85 4y ago
  How familiar does the following sound to you? "I've had some back pain and got prescribed opiates, now i'm addicted" We're not talking about getting some opiates after surgery or severe and mostly rare things. Americans get opiates for all kinds of small inconveniences, like a wisdom tooth removal, or some back pain. Opiates don't heal or fix back pains. They just mask the symptoms and create a new problem. I've been in a lot of pain in my life and never took any opiates, because they are reserved for extreme situations where i live. In america, i would have had easy access to prescriptions for those in most cases. We have no opiate crisis here.
  - throwaway1851 4y ago
    I’ve had opiates for wisdom tooth extraction and a couple of relatively minor but very painful injuries. I was very glad to have them. They made the experiences much more bearable. I did not experience any addiction issues, and I’m glad that my access to these medications was not limited due to some people’s inability to handle them. I really don’t think forcing needless suffering on everyone is the answer to this problem.
    - the_mar 4y ago
      Opiates for wisdom teeth extraction are entirely unnecessary. Source: had six very painful teeth extractions, with bone grafts and two sinus repairs. I was almost pain-free on 600mg ibuprofen + 600mg acetaminophen every 6 or so hours. I say "almost" because I was not dumb enough to try any type of exercise, or eating crunchy cereal, but I had no problem falling and staying asleep or going back to work in 24 hours. So I am not entirely sure why you think opiates were necessary or provided you the type of relief that OTC meds could not provide. My double-board-certified, extremely expensive dental surgeon doesn't seem to think so. I also had abdominal surgery, for which I can concur opiates do help quite a bit, which is entirely separate story.
pyinstallwoes 4y ago
Breaking a bone doesn’t perpetually hurt like a Charlie horse that never stops tightening. Gout for example in the big toe can be the most painful experience ever, speaking as someone who’s been in many accidents. It can last several days, it feels like a shark biting your toe off every second.