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There’s essentially no lag in a dedicated wireless receiver mouse - the additional latency is dwarfed by the baseline latency of the hardware and software. htt

There’s essentially no lag in a dedicated wireless receiver mouse - the additional latency is dwarfed by the baseline latency of the hardware and software. https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tests/control/latency https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tests/control/latency Yes connectivity issues can be a problem in certain environments but luckily this has usually not been a problem with receivers not in close proximity to interference, including USB3. Battery wise I have had cheapie mouses that last months on a pair of batteries and expensive mice like the Mx master that are pretty no fuss recharging. But you do you with the mouse bungee cord :).

bufferoverflow 4y ago
The problem I have with wireless mice is they always die when I'm in the middle of something important or an fps game. Switched back to wired because of that.
- riceart 4y ago
  For what it’s worth mice like the Mxmaster have a usb-c charging port in the sensible location and can be used while being charged. They also give you pretty fair warning before they die.
  - WirelessGigabit 4y ago
    Sensible. I love that we need to mention this after the Magic Mouse debacle.
  - TylerE 4y ago
    Battery adds significant weight. The mxMaster weights almost 50% more (141g vs 97g) than the wired mouse I use (Zowie EC1, NOT a small mouse, it's like the glorious old MS Intellimouse)... and the 97g is counting the cable. Also, from my experience USB-C likes to giggle itself loose under really energetic movement.
    - arvinsim 4y ago
      I just use a wireless mouse that accepts AA batteries. Just buy 2 sets of rechargeable batteries then I won't have to worry about battery life ever again.
      - TylerE 4y ago
        Yeah, on the work laptop I've got...some sort of logitech thing. 2 AA batteries last over a year.
    - davidmurdoch 4y ago
      The USB-c cable connector in the mx-matter 3 is annoyingly tight. I could probably swing it around my head by the cable and it wouldn't come out. It is heavy though.
    - jdietrich 4y ago
      The wireless version of the EC1 is a whole two grams heavier, excluding the cable. https://zowie.benq.com/en-us/mouse/ec1.html https://zowie.benq.com/en-us/mouse/ec1.html https://zowie.benq.com/en-us/mouse/ec1-cw.html https://zowie.benq.com/en-us/mouse/ec1-cw.html The Logitech G Pro X Superlight is 63g and some of the newer wireless mice are coming in at under 50g. It's now very unusual to see a professional FPS player using a wired mouse. The performance is indistinguishable and for most people, charging is less of a nuisance than cable management. https://prosettings.net/lists/cs-go/ https://prosettings.net/lists/cs-go/
- KennyBlanken 4y ago
  My wireless mouse has a dock that glows a color depending on the battery state of the mouse. When it's getting orange, I know to drop it on the dock for a bit.
- kitsunesoba 4y ago
  The apparent battery life might be distorted a bit by my work and gaming machines being separate, but the mouse in my gaming setup (Logitech G604 Lightspeed) gets months of life out of a single Eneloop Pro rechargeable AA when using its USB RF dongle. It was a bit of a surprise with my last wireless mouse having been the mid-2000s Logitech MX1000 which had an integrated battery and needed to be docked a lot more frequently… it's fuzzy but I think I might've gotten a week out of it on average.
- no_time 4y ago
  lol I had wired mice die on me mid game as well. While buying items in csgo one of my clicks was 3x more loud than the ones before. The white bit that you push on was no longer sticking out of the switch.
- joncrocks 4y ago
  You can get some now that have wireless charging (with a compatible mousemat). e.g. Logitech PowerPlay
  - techniko 4y ago
    I had some extra cash after buying a new PC and decided to splurge on the PowerPlay, thinking it would just be an expensive trinket. I was wrong. It charges the mouse while you're using it, keeping it at an appropriate level (80%?) so that it doesn't ruin the battery by being at 100%. You literally do not have to remember to plug it in or swap out a battery. It's a gamechanger. To make it really nice, I paired it with one of those XXL mousepads. Cut some corflute or other material that's the same thickness as the PowerPlay, and you can have your own nice large mousepad while having the wireless mouse charger hidden beneath it.
sourcecodeplz 4y ago
I use wired mice because I like the feeling more. Difficult to explain.
- quickthrower2 4y ago
  I prefer wired because no batteries, no lost mouse, no lost usb receiver.
anonym29 4y ago
No question about it, wireless is the GOAT.
- riceart 4y ago
  Buddy, I posted a link - the actual difference in latency in time to click and movements with wireless mice with dedicated receivers. Some do better than wired models - in any event the latency of the RF link is on the order or hundreds of microseconds and the wired part of the peripheral bus (ie USB) and the software is at least a couple milliseconds. It's very well possible my wireless mouse setup has lower latency than most wired setups. That’s why I said essentially no lag. A good gaming wireless mouse will do better than many wired mice. In those cases it’s better but it’s still not enough difference to matter to anyone. The advantage of wired is not just aesthetics. This thread started because of any accessory to deal with the wire. I don't need to bother at all with a damn wire in the way. > This might as be considered a law of physics - electromagnetic energy will always travel faster, more accurately, with less interference, with less required current through a conductive medium than through air. I mean you might want to go back and read a high school physics textbook - because you’ve got the speed of light exactly backwards. The reason digital wireless signals may have additional latency has nothing to do with the propagation which is faster in air. Also I’ve never seen a networking over powerline system that worked better than Wi-Fi. Not all conductive paths are effective for signals. > Wired is ALWAYS the objectively superior option in all metrics except for superficial & subjective "aesthetics", all else equal. Which is why professional musicians and broadcasters would never use wireless microphones and pickups. (sarcasm)
  - rektide 4y ago
    A good number of these mouse show a difference of 0.2 ms betwen wired & wireless. That's one frame at 500fps. As you say, there are so many other factors that radically dwarf this transport concern. It's hard to take this as a discussion when people protest so vehemently against such a tiny figure, when it's such a small factor. Also griefing about battery seem like horseshit too. I have a travel mouse with a single rechargeable AA battery in it. I have a variety of gaming mice, including a Razer Naga Epic from ~2010 that I've literally worn the buttons through to unreliability on. These mice all have li-ion batteries and they all work fine. Maybe in aggregate I've worn through like a single rechargable AA cells worth of use over a decade. The rate of attrition on rechargeable batteries is tiny. It's just incredible what the cables-or-die undead-alliance goes through to justify their fanatical anti-cause.
berkle4455 4y ago
I've never had a problem in my entire life with wired keyboards, mice, or headphones. I've had probably aggregate thousands of separate instances of problems with wireless devices across the last 20 years. Wireless is awesome for when you're on the go, but if you're going to be sitting at a desk for hours anyway, wired is life.
- BrotherBisquick 4y ago
  I have zero tolerance for crappy wireless stuff in general but my wireless Logitech mouse has worked flawlessly. I can't think of a reason to prefer a wired mouse over it.
veidr 4y ago
The latency graph in the article you post actually shows sporadic but substantial lag of around 100% (12ms to 25+ ms) with the wireless dongle. The average of all the lag might be low, but the lag when it does occur seems quite high. But in the real world, there can be even more lag. I've tested a bunch of different high-end wireless mice that purport to have super-low wireless lag, and they all exhibit lag in my apartment. Not constant lag, but sporadic occasional lag of like 600ms or more, every once in a while. For both clicking the mouse, or just moving the cursor. Because I've seen it on Mac, Windows, and Linux, and with fairly pricey mice from Logitech, Corsair, Razer, and others, I think the reason is probably radio interference. I live in a dense apartment block in Tokyo, and also have kids with a bunch of wireless crap of their own. Whatever it is, the only way I can have a mouse that doesn't ever lag is to connect it with a cable. I don't even play games, but the every-once-in-a-while lag is annoying enough when coding and web browsing that I now only buy mice that support wireless USB, Bluetooth, and USB-C wired connection.

bufferoverflow 4y ago

The problem I have with wireless mice is they always die when I'm in the middle of something important or an fps game. Switched back to wired because of that.

riceart 4y ago
For what it’s worth mice like the Mxmaster have a usb-c charging port in the sensible location and can be used while being charged. They also give you pretty fair warning before they die.
- WirelessGigabit 4y ago
  Sensible. I love that we need to mention this after the Magic Mouse debacle.
- TylerE 4y ago
  Battery adds significant weight. The mxMaster weights almost 50% more (141g vs 97g) than the wired mouse I use (Zowie EC1, NOT a small mouse, it's like the glorious old MS Intellimouse)... and the 97g is counting the cable. Also, from my experience USB-C likes to giggle itself loose under really energetic movement.
  - arvinsim 4y ago
    I just use a wireless mouse that accepts AA batteries. Just buy 2 sets of rechargeable batteries then I won't have to worry about battery life ever again.
    - TylerE 4y ago
      Yeah, on the work laptop I've got...some sort of logitech thing. 2 AA batteries last over a year.
  - davidmurdoch 4y ago
    The USB-c cable connector in the mx-matter 3 is annoyingly tight. I could probably swing it around my head by the cable and it wouldn't come out. It is heavy though.
  - jdietrich 4y ago
    The wireless version of the EC1 is a whole two grams heavier, excluding the cable. https://zowie.benq.com/en-us/mouse/ec1.html https://zowie.benq.com/en-us/mouse/ec1.html https://zowie.benq.com/en-us/mouse/ec1-cw.html https://zowie.benq.com/en-us/mouse/ec1-cw.html The Logitech G Pro X Superlight is 63g and some of the newer wireless mice are coming in at under 50g. It's now very unusual to see a professional FPS player using a wired mouse. The performance is indistinguishable and for most people, charging is less of a nuisance than cable management. https://prosettings.net/lists/cs-go/ https://prosettings.net/lists/cs-go/
KennyBlanken 4y ago
My wireless mouse has a dock that glows a color depending on the battery state of the mouse. When it's getting orange, I know to drop it on the dock for a bit.
kitsunesoba 4y ago
The apparent battery life might be distorted a bit by my work and gaming machines being separate, but the mouse in my gaming setup (Logitech G604 Lightspeed) gets months of life out of a single Eneloop Pro rechargeable AA when using its USB RF dongle. It was a bit of a surprise with my last wireless mouse having been the mid-2000s Logitech MX1000 which had an integrated battery and needed to be docked a lot more frequently… it's fuzzy but I think I might've gotten a week out of it on average.
no_time 4y ago
lol I had wired mice die on me mid game as well. While buying items in csgo one of my clicks was 3x more loud than the ones before. The white bit that you push on was no longer sticking out of the switch.
joncrocks 4y ago
You can get some now that have wireless charging (with a compatible mousemat). e.g. Logitech PowerPlay
- techniko 4y ago
  I had some extra cash after buying a new PC and decided to splurge on the PowerPlay, thinking it would just be an expensive trinket. I was wrong. It charges the mouse while you're using it, keeping it at an appropriate level (80%?) so that it doesn't ruin the battery by being at 100%. You literally do not have to remember to plug it in or swap out a battery. It's a gamechanger. To make it really nice, I paired it with one of those XXL mousepads. Cut some corflute or other material that's the same thickness as the PowerPlay, and you can have your own nice large mousepad while having the wireless mouse charger hidden beneath it.

sourcecodeplz 4y ago

I use wired mice because I like the feeling more. Difficult to explain.

quickthrower2 4y ago
I prefer wired because no batteries, no lost mouse, no lost usb receiver.

anonym29 4y ago

No question about it, wireless is the GOAT.

riceart 4y ago
Buddy, I posted a link - the actual difference in latency in time to click and movements with wireless mice with dedicated receivers. Some do better than wired models - in any event the latency of the RF link is on the order or hundreds of microseconds and the wired part of the peripheral bus (ie USB) and the software is at least a couple milliseconds. It's very well possible my wireless mouse setup has lower latency than most wired setups. That’s why I said essentially no lag. A good gaming wireless mouse will do better than many wired mice. In those cases it’s better but it’s still not enough difference to matter to anyone. The advantage of wired is not just aesthetics. This thread started because of any accessory to deal with the wire. I don't need to bother at all with a damn wire in the way. > This might as be considered a law of physics - electromagnetic energy will always travel faster, more accurately, with less interference, with less required current through a conductive medium than through air. I mean you might want to go back and read a high school physics textbook - because you’ve got the speed of light exactly backwards. The reason digital wireless signals may have additional latency has nothing to do with the propagation which is faster in air. Also I’ve never seen a networking over powerline system that worked better than Wi-Fi. Not all conductive paths are effective for signals. > Wired is ALWAYS the objectively superior option in all metrics except for superficial & subjective "aesthetics", all else equal. Which is why professional musicians and broadcasters would never use wireless microphones and pickups. (sarcasm)
- rektide 4y ago
  A good number of these mouse show a difference of 0.2 ms betwen wired & wireless. That's one frame at 500fps. As you say, there are so many other factors that radically dwarf this transport concern. It's hard to take this as a discussion when people protest so vehemently against such a tiny figure, when it's such a small factor. Also griefing about battery seem like horseshit too. I have a travel mouse with a single rechargeable AA battery in it. I have a variety of gaming mice, including a Razer Naga Epic from ~2010 that I've literally worn the buttons through to unreliability on. These mice all have li-ion batteries and they all work fine. Maybe in aggregate I've worn through like a single rechargable AA cells worth of use over a decade. The rate of attrition on rechargeable batteries is tiny. It's just incredible what the cables-or-die undead-alliance goes through to justify their fanatical anti-cause.

berkle4455 4y ago

I've never had a problem in my entire life with wired keyboards, mice, or headphones. I've had probably aggregate thousands of separate instances of problems with wireless devices across the last 20 years. Wireless is awesome for when you're on the go, but if you're going to be sitting at a desk for hours anyway, wired is life.

BrotherBisquick 4y ago
I have zero tolerance for crappy wireless stuff in general but my wireless Logitech mouse has worked flawlessly. I can't think of a reason to prefer a wired mouse over it.

veidr 4y ago

The latency graph in the article you post actually shows sporadic but substantial lag of around 100% (12ms to 25+ ms) with the wireless dongle. The average of all the lag might be low, but the lag when it does occur seems quite high. But in the real world, there can be even more lag. I've tested a bunch of different high-end wireless mice that purport to have super-low wireless lag, and they all exhibit lag in my apartment. Not constant lag, but sporadic occasional lag of like 600ms or more, every once in a while. For both clicking the mouse, or just moving the cursor. Because I've seen it on Mac, Windows, and Linux, and with fairly pricey mice from Logitech, Corsair, Razer, and others, I think the reason is probably radio interference. I live in a dense apartment block in Tokyo, and also have kids with a bunch of wireless crap of their own. Whatever it is, the only way I can have a mouse that doesn't ever lag is to connect it with a cable. I don't even play games, but the every-once-in-a-while lag is annoying enough when coding and web browsing that I now only buy mice that support wireless USB, Bluetooth, and USB-C wired connection.