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>Its nothing nearly as addictive or habit forming as SSRI's that are given out like candy. SSRIs aren't considered addictive at all. As I mentioned to someone

>Its nothing nearly as addictive or habit forming as SSRI's that are given out like candy. SSRIs aren't considered addictive at all. As I mentioned to someone else, please take an earnest visit to https://www.reddit.com/r/StopSpeeding/ https://www.reddit.com/r/StopSpeeding/ and consider the idea that a lot of our ADHD peers struggle with stimulants. >Perhaps for non-ADHD people. I've been diagnosed with ADHD twice (childhood and adult) and I can say from experience that speed gets everyone high. That's a myth. Take a double dose of your prescription and report back whether you feel it (sort of kidding, it's a dangerous path).

romwell 4y ago
>Take a double dose of your prescription and report back whether you feel it (sort of kidding, I have ADHD[1]. Taking 2x dosage of Adderall[3] makes me.. calmer and sleepy, and that's about it. As does too much coffee[2]. So much for "myth". [1]https://romankogan.net/adhd https://romankogan.net/adhd [2]https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Coffee%20Calms%20Me%20Down https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Coffee%20Calms%20Me%20Down [3]https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Medication https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Medication
- operatingthetan 4y ago
  You should know better than suggesting your anecdote is enough to prove a myth either way. Stimulants aren't magical medications that affect all ADHD people radically differently than neurotypicals. You are just experiencing a very common phenomena where drugs impact some people differently.
  - romwell 4y ago
    >You are just experiencing a very common phenomena where drugs impact some people differently. Yes, I am experiencing a very common phenomena where drugs impact the people with the condition the drug is prescribed for differently than those without it. Is is it so hard to make this leap?
    - operatingthetan 4y ago
      I'm a person with diagnosed ADHD and I know a lot of people with ADHD and none of us experience that with stimulants. You're generalizing that all ADHD people experience the opposite effect, so I don't find your argument credible. These drugs were not designed and created for ADHD. They were discovered separately. They alleviate some of the symptoms of ADHD, but it doesn't suddenly make you act and think like a neurotypical. You act and think like an ADHD person on speed. Also, a lot of people who take them have very positive and unrealistic beliefs about them because they are high on the drug.
millimeterman 4y ago
Stimulant addiction is certainly real, but addiction recovery groups are obviously going to self-select for people that have/had a problem. The reality is that there are millions of people who take ADHD medicine at therapeutic doses (which should _not_ induce a high, FWIW) for years without developing an addiction or needing dose increases. Knowing the potential risks of stimulants is good, but unduly scaring people or over-restricting access for the majority who use them properly is not helpful.
- operatingthetan 4y ago
  >Stimulant addiction is certainly real, but addiction recovery groups are obviously going to self-select for people that have/had a problem. Please re-read how I presented that link carefully. I've encountered several people here claiming that stimulants don't get you high and that they aren't addictive. The point of sending them to that sub was to demonstrate that others have a different experience. I'm not making a larger argument here that they are harmful for everyone, just that they aren't magic drugs and they might have glowy feelings about them for a less comfortable reason than they think. People downvoting me for stating simple known facts about these drugs is troubling...
  - junofan 4y ago
    There’s really no link between your average person taking 5–10 mg of Adderall twice a day and a support group for people smoking upwards of a gram of meth a day.
    - operatingthetan 4y ago
      You're mischaracterizing that subreddit. Here's a link to just the prescription stimulant posts: https://www.reddit.com/r/StopSpeeding/search?sort=new&restrict_sr=on&q=flair%3AAdderall%2FVyvanse%2FDexedrine https://www.reddit.com/r/StopSpeeding/search?sort=new&restri... Please be more careful and honest in your assertions. My point is that there are people who struggle with abusing prescription stimulants. I did not make a comparison or suggest a link between harder stims like your strawman suggests. A 200lb person can get a decent high from as little as 30mg of adderall.
elcritch 4y ago
> SSRIs aren't considered addictive at all. And thats BS. It's completely physically and psychologically addictive for many people with severe withdrawal symptoms. If they're not considered addictive then thats an issue with the DSM and inconsistent metrics used by medical fields. > As I mentioned to someone else, please take an earnest visit to https://www.reddit.com/r/StopSpeeding/ https://www.reddit.com/r/StopSpeeding/ and consider the idea that a lot of our ADHD peers struggle with stimulants. I'm sure many do struggle with abusing stimulants. They're not silver bullets, and do need appropriate care and monitoring by a medical professional. Especially when starting a new treatment. However, I find that link is also full of things like "Bob was addicted to Adderal, and took 30mg everyday for 8 years". To me thats sounds like a successful therapeutic treatment without other supporting info like "Bob would use his monthly supply in a week". Few would consider "Bob took a normal dosage of an SSRI for 8 years" as an addiction. > That's a myth. Take a double dose of your prescription and report back whether you feel it (sort of kidding, it's a dangerous path). To clarify, I'm sure some do get a mild high. Many don't. Maybe I'd get one on a higher dose, but I've got no desire to do so as I get much more enjoyment over just feeling awake and being able to focus. Though I definitely get a "mild high" if I accidentally take an extra dose of my SSRI.
- operatingthetan 4y ago
  I disagree with you about the SSRIs based on my (basic) research in general, but given you said it has that effect on you personally I accept that as a data point. >However, I find that link is also full of things like "Bob was addicted to Adderal, and took 30mg everyday for 8 years". To me thats sounds like a successful therapeutic treatment without other supporting info like "Bob would use his monthly supply in a week". Few would consider "Bob took a normal dosage of an SSRI for 8 years" as an addiction. Of course there are a mix of experiences described there. If someone decides they have a problem with a drug and are struggling to stop, can we decide if it's not true? I doubt it. I don't think people are LARPing as stim addicts, but also I'm sure there are some people who struggle more than others. >To clarify, I'm sure some do get a mild high. Many don't. Maybe I'd get one on a higher dose, but I've got no desire to do so as I get much more enjoyment over just feeling awake and being able to focus. Though I definitely get a "mild high" if I accidentally take an extra dose of my SSRI. I'm glad you are able to keep them in a healthy place in your life. Thanks for sharing your experiences.

romwell 4y ago

>Take a double dose of your prescription and report back whether you feel it (sort of kidding, I have ADHD[1]. Taking 2x dosage of Adderall[3] makes me.. calmer and sleepy, and that's about it. As does too much coffee[2]. So much for "myth". [1]https://romankogan.net/adhd https://romankogan.net/adhd [2]https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Coffee%20Calms%20Me%20Down https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Coffee%20Calms%20Me%20Down [3]https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Medication https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Medication

operatingthetan 4y ago
You should know better than suggesting your anecdote is enough to prove a myth either way. Stimulants aren't magical medications that affect all ADHD people radically differently than neurotypicals. You are just experiencing a very common phenomena where drugs impact some people differently.
- romwell 4y ago
  >You are just experiencing a very common phenomena where drugs impact some people differently. Yes, I am experiencing a very common phenomena where drugs impact the people with the condition the drug is prescribed for differently than those without it. Is is it so hard to make this leap?
  - operatingthetan 4y ago
    I'm a person with diagnosed ADHD and I know a lot of people with ADHD and none of us experience that with stimulants. You're generalizing that all ADHD people experience the opposite effect, so I don't find your argument credible. These drugs were not designed and created for ADHD. They were discovered separately. They alleviate some of the symptoms of ADHD, but it doesn't suddenly make you act and think like a neurotypical. You act and think like an ADHD person on speed. Also, a lot of people who take them have very positive and unrealistic beliefs about them because they are high on the drug.

millimeterman 4y ago

Stimulant addiction is certainly real, but addiction recovery groups are obviously going to self-select for people that have/had a problem. The reality is that there are millions of people who take ADHD medicine at therapeutic doses (which should _not_ induce a high, FWIW) for years without developing an addiction or needing dose increases. Knowing the potential risks of stimulants is good, but unduly scaring people or over-restricting access for the majority who use them properly is not helpful.

operatingthetan 4y ago
>Stimulant addiction is certainly real, but addiction recovery groups are obviously going to self-select for people that have/had a problem. Please re-read how I presented that link carefully. I've encountered several people here claiming that stimulants don't get you high and that they aren't addictive. The point of sending them to that sub was to demonstrate that others have a different experience. I'm not making a larger argument here that they are harmful for everyone, just that they aren't magic drugs and they might have glowy feelings about them for a less comfortable reason than they think. People downvoting me for stating simple known facts about these drugs is troubling...
- junofan 4y ago
  There’s really no link between your average person taking 5–10 mg of Adderall twice a day and a support group for people smoking upwards of a gram of meth a day.
  - operatingthetan 4y ago
    You're mischaracterizing that subreddit. Here's a link to just the prescription stimulant posts: https://www.reddit.com/r/StopSpeeding/search?sort=new&restrict_sr=on&q=flair%3AAdderall%2FVyvanse%2FDexedrine https://www.reddit.com/r/StopSpeeding/search?sort=new&restri... Please be more careful and honest in your assertions. My point is that there are people who struggle with abusing prescription stimulants. I did not make a comparison or suggest a link between harder stims like your strawman suggests. A 200lb person can get a decent high from as little as 30mg of adderall.

elcritch 4y ago

> SSRIs aren't considered addictive at all. And thats BS. It's completely physically and psychologically addictive for many people with severe withdrawal symptoms. If they're not considered addictive then thats an issue with the DSM and inconsistent metrics used by medical fields. > As I mentioned to someone else, please take an earnest visit to https://www.reddit.com/r/StopSpeeding/ https://www.reddit.com/r/StopSpeeding/ and consider the idea that a lot of our ADHD peers struggle with stimulants. I'm sure many do struggle with abusing stimulants. They're not silver bullets, and do need appropriate care and monitoring by a medical professional. Especially when starting a new treatment. However, I find that link is also full of things like "Bob was addicted to Adderal, and took 30mg everyday for 8 years". To me thats sounds like a successful therapeutic treatment without other supporting info like "Bob would use his monthly supply in a week". Few would consider "Bob took a normal dosage of an SSRI for 8 years" as an addiction. > That's a myth. Take a double dose of your prescription and report back whether you feel it (sort of kidding, it's a dangerous path). To clarify, I'm sure some do get a mild high. Many don't. Maybe I'd get one on a higher dose, but I've got no desire to do so as I get much more enjoyment over just feeling awake and being able to focus. Though I definitely get a "mild high" if I accidentally take an extra dose of my SSRI.

operatingthetan 4y ago
I disagree with you about the SSRIs based on my (basic) research in general, but given you said it has that effect on you personally I accept that as a data point. >However, I find that link is also full of things like "Bob was addicted to Adderal, and took 30mg everyday for 8 years". To me thats sounds like a successful therapeutic treatment without other supporting info like "Bob would use his monthly supply in a week". Few would consider "Bob took a normal dosage of an SSRI for 8 years" as an addiction. Of course there are a mix of experiences described there. If someone decides they have a problem with a drug and are struggling to stop, can we decide if it's not true? I doubt it. I don't think people are LARPing as stim addicts, but also I'm sure there are some people who struggle more than others. >To clarify, I'm sure some do get a mild high. Many don't. Maybe I'd get one on a higher dose, but I've got no desire to do so as I get much more enjoyment over just feeling awake and being able to focus. Though I definitely get a "mild high" if I accidentally take an extra dose of my SSRI. I'm glad you are able to keep them in a healthy place in your life. Thanks for sharing your experiences.