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It was this philosophy that kept me away from JetBrains IDE's for years. Eventually, someone talked me into giving it a try and there was no going back for me!

It was this philosophy that kept me away from JetBrains IDE's for years. Eventually, someone talked me into giving it a try and there was no going back for me! Basically ALL the other software I run, from the OS on up, is FLOSS, but I happily pay to run WebStorm for my JS/TS development! The value provided to me is light-years ahead of the Eclipse/VSCode flavor of the month. I remain a firm proponent of FLOSS, but I am also realistic about the value of truly great proprietary software!

benatkin 4y ago
It was JetBrains that led me to developing the opinion that IDEs should be open source - at least the ones I use.
- esafak 4y ago
  Why, because it's so good that you'd pay any price?
  - benatkin 4y ago
    Heck nah. After using it for a while I realized I didn't like it too much, so I switched. The 5% of the time when I wanted to use it take advantage of the muscle memory I developed while migrating to the other IDE (at the time, MacVim), I couldn't, unless I wanted to pay or keep an old version around...
    - Kwpolska 4y ago
      If you're saying that you've got muscle memory for JetBrains keyboard shortcuts and you want them elsewhere, most IDEs let you configure them. There is a JetBrains-style keymap for VSCode, for example.
KronisLV 4y ago
> I remain a firm proponent of FLOSS, but I am also realistic about the value of truly great proprietary software! This mirrors my own experience with JetBrains products, in particular with their Java IDE in large enterprise projects (4000+ source files). NetBeans kept freezing when I tried to use code search, whereas Eclipse seemed to randomly crash. I also recall the data source and MyBatis XML integration (with plugins) being better in IntelliJ IDEA as well - even though the startup indexing is slow and I also needed to increase the max memory for the IDE, same as with others (a few GB per instance). Aside from that I might just like the NetBeans UI a bit better but the language support isn't there. This was a few years ago, but JetBrains still seems to have great code completion, tools to explore the codebase (dependency graphs, ER diagrams for DBs), as well as support for most of the popular stacks out there, which is why I use their Ultimate tools package with everything. Only Fleet was buggy when compared with VSC, but it was tech preview when I tried it. Oh and the PyCharm experience with Python and venv was a bit off when there were build errors (they weren't displayed prominently when you used the context option to install dependencies), but Python in general seems to have issues on Windows sometimes with compiling drivers or whatever. Edit: oh wait WebStorm had issues with refactoring in a few thousand line long AngularJS controllers in one legacy project. To me it feels like software like that should be free, but sadly that's not the world we live in. I personally lucked out with their student offering, graduation discount and recurring discounts. For smaller projects I still do some editing in VSC, not a Vim/Emacs user personally. Cloud based dev tools seem... interesting?
foepys 4y ago
Since JetBrains' base IDE is open source, you are not too far away from pure FLOSS. https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community
- manojlds 4y ago
  Basically it's like Chromium.
KyeRussell 4y ago
Calling VSCode a flavour of the month seems a bit harsh. It’s old enough to be well into elementary school, and it seems at such low risk of being dethroned that it’s probably going to play a big part in Microsoft’s re-attempt at world domination.
- jlkuester7 4y ago
  Ah that is poor wording on my part! By "flavor of the month", I was referring to the many VS Code variants (e.g. VSCodium, GitHub Codespaces, etc). For better or worse VS Code has become the Chrome of the IDE world with a staggering market share!

benatkin 4y ago

It was JetBrains that led me to developing the opinion that IDEs should be open source - at least the ones I use.

esafak 4y ago
Why, because it's so good that you'd pay any price?
- benatkin 4y ago
  Heck nah. After using it for a while I realized I didn't like it too much, so I switched. The 5% of the time when I wanted to use it take advantage of the muscle memory I developed while migrating to the other IDE (at the time, MacVim), I couldn't, unless I wanted to pay or keep an old version around...
  - Kwpolska 4y ago
    If you're saying that you've got muscle memory for JetBrains keyboard shortcuts and you want them elsewhere, most IDEs let you configure them. There is a JetBrains-style keymap for VSCode, for example.

KronisLV 4y ago

> I remain a firm proponent of FLOSS, but I am also realistic about the value of truly great proprietary software! This mirrors my own experience with JetBrains products, in particular with their Java IDE in large enterprise projects (4000+ source files). NetBeans kept freezing when I tried to use code search, whereas Eclipse seemed to randomly crash. I also recall the data source and MyBatis XML integration (with plugins) being better in IntelliJ IDEA as well - even though the startup indexing is slow and I also needed to increase the max memory for the IDE, same as with others (a few GB per instance). Aside from that I might just like the NetBeans UI a bit better but the language support isn't there. This was a few years ago, but JetBrains still seems to have great code completion, tools to explore the codebase (dependency graphs, ER diagrams for DBs), as well as support for most of the popular stacks out there, which is why I use their Ultimate tools package with everything. Only Fleet was buggy when compared with VSC, but it was tech preview when I tried it. Oh and the PyCharm experience with Python and venv was a bit off when there were build errors (they weren't displayed prominently when you used the context option to install dependencies), but Python in general seems to have issues on Windows sometimes with compiling drivers or whatever. Edit: oh wait WebStorm had issues with refactoring in a few thousand line long AngularJS controllers in one legacy project. To me it feels like software like that should be free, but sadly that's not the world we live in. I personally lucked out with their student offering, graduation discount and recurring discounts. For smaller projects I still do some editing in VSC, not a Vim/Emacs user personally. Cloud based dev tools seem... interesting?

foepys 4y ago

Since JetBrains' base IDE is open source, you are not too far away from pure FLOSS. https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community

manojlds 4y ago
Basically it's like Chromium.

KyeRussell 4y ago

Calling VSCode a flavour of the month seems a bit harsh. It’s old enough to be well into elementary school, and it seems at such low risk of being dethroned that it’s probably going to play a big part in Microsoft’s re-attempt at world domination.

jlkuester7 4y ago
Ah that is poor wording on my part! By "flavor of the month", I was referring to the many VS Code variants (e.g. VSCodium, GitHub Codespaces, etc). For better or worse VS Code has become the Chrome of the IDE world with a staggering market share!