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Good comment, but Adderall is Amphetamine, not Methamphetamine. Big difference.

by fzzzy 4y ago

OkayPhysicist 4y ago
Methamphetamine can be prescribed for ADHD under the trade name Desoxyn, but it's less common because the side effects are worse.
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- fzzzy 4y ago
  Sure, but they said they had been prescribed Adderall and Ritalin, neither of which are Methamphetamine.
  - rozal 4y ago
    Methamphetamine is actually a derivative of amphetamine.... So it's pretty damn close, effects are similar too.
eindiran 4y ago
Methamphetamine is a schedule 2 drug and prescribed in the US, though significantly more rarely than amphetamine. Is there a difference between oral consumption of amphetamine and methamphetamine dosed out in correct proportion to the salts in question? Maybe, but certainly not that "big" of a difference.
- caslon 4y ago
  It's actually a big difference. One feels downright euphoric, according to Desoxyn users. The other is a boring study drug. https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-mo...
  - operatingthetan 4y ago
    >The other is a boring study drug That's quite the mischaracterization. Stimulants even at low doses increase the dopamine in the brain and lead to a mild high. I don't think I've ever heard anyone ever call Adderall "boring" before either. That's like calling alcohol boring, maybe someone may not like the experience, but they both have immediate and noticeable effects and it's not just "I love studying" either. Even Scott's article has examples of this, here's a story of a little girl becoming very high from a prescription stimulant: "A spontaneous report from the manufacturer of Strattera (atomoxetine) described a 7-year-old girl who received 18 mg daily of atomoxetine for the treatment of ADHD. Within hours of taking the first dose, the patient started talking nonstop and stated that she was happy. The next morning the child was still elated."
    - brazzledazzle 4y ago
      In my experience people who take adderall while partying do it to stay awake longer to party with other drugs or booze. In practice for most people that “high” isn’t really a thing. At least not with anyone I know who is prescribed it or sometimes takes it recreationally. Meth on the other hand? Yeah that’s going to give you a very noticeable high.
      - operatingthetan 4y ago
        Please browse https://www.reddit.com/r/StopSpeeding/ https://www.reddit.com/r/StopSpeeding/ (probably nsfw) for many stories of people struggling with prescription stimulant abuse. These people aren't taking it because it keeps them up longer for drinking.
        brazzledazzle 4y ago
        I'm not denying that you can abuse prescription stimulants by taking large doses to get high but most people aren't taking 10-30mg a day and experiencing meth like feelings of euphoria. Especially with extended release formulations. It's also much harder to maintain the regular abuse of a prescription stimulant without resorting to illicit acquisition since most psychiatrists avoid prescribing high enough doses to make that feasible. I can't speak for every person who abuses prescription stimulants but I've met people that do and they always had a meth or other addiction in their past and were either buying from dealers or seeing multiple doctors/pharmacies. It's been a while since I've run into someone with that problem though so I don't even know if the latter strategy is effective anymore. I assume the feds maintain some kind of database these days.
- OkayPhysicist 4y ago
  It's a pretty huge difference. Desoxyn's focus improvement comes with a full-body euphoric rush, which while fun and all, dramatically increases its abuse potential and addictiveness. Amphetamine, in contrast, is just makes it easier to focus. Properly dosed, there's no rush, no euphoria, just slanted walls on the sides of your train of thought.
- a2dam 4y ago
  The difference is one of chemistry, not law. A helpful analogy is to find another pair of drugs that people are more familiar with where the difference is a single methyl group: caffeine and theobromine (the stimulant in chocolate). Saying that appropriately dosed amphetamine and methamphetamine don't have a "big" difference is like saying appropriately dosed chocolate and coffee don't have a "big" difference. The difference is clearly massive.
  - eindiran 4y ago
    I disagree. In oral usage, when you control for potency, particularly with regard to the stereoisomer composition, amphetamine and methamphetamine are FAR closer in effect (and "side effects") than historically people have claimed. Pointing to the methyl group is completely missing the point; I am not talking about the absolute chemistry, but the pharmacology.

Good comment, but Adderall is Amphetamine, not Methamphetamine. Big difference.

by fzzzy 4y ago

Good comment, but Adderall is Amphetamine, not Methamphetamine. Big difference.

Methamphetamine can be prescribed for ADHD under the trade name Desoxyn, but it's less common because the side effects are worse.

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fzzzy 4y ago
Sure, but they said they had been prescribed Adderall and Ritalin, neither of which are Methamphetamine.
- rozal 4y ago
  Methamphetamine is actually a derivative of amphetamine.... So it's pretty damn close, effects are similar too.

eindiran 4y ago

Methamphetamine is a schedule 2 drug and prescribed in the US, though significantly more rarely than amphetamine. Is there a difference between oral consumption of amphetamine and methamphetamine dosed out in correct proportion to the salts in question? Maybe, but certainly not that "big" of a difference.

caslon 4y ago
It's actually a big difference. One feels downright euphoric, according to Desoxyn users. The other is a boring study drug. https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-mo...
- operatingthetan 4y ago
  >The other is a boring study drug That's quite the mischaracterization. Stimulants even at low doses increase the dopamine in the brain and lead to a mild high. I don't think I've ever heard anyone ever call Adderall "boring" before either. That's like calling alcohol boring, maybe someone may not like the experience, but they both have immediate and noticeable effects and it's not just "I love studying" either. Even Scott's article has examples of this, here's a story of a little girl becoming very high from a prescription stimulant: "A spontaneous report from the manufacturer of Strattera (atomoxetine) described a 7-year-old girl who received 18 mg daily of atomoxetine for the treatment of ADHD. Within hours of taking the first dose, the patient started talking nonstop and stated that she was happy. The next morning the child was still elated."
  - brazzledazzle 4y ago
    In my experience people who take adderall while partying do it to stay awake longer to party with other drugs or booze. In practice for most people that “high” isn’t really a thing. At least not with anyone I know who is prescribed it or sometimes takes it recreationally. Meth on the other hand? Yeah that’s going to give you a very noticeable high.
    - operatingthetan 4y ago
      Please browse https://www.reddit.com/r/StopSpeeding/ https://www.reddit.com/r/StopSpeeding/ (probably nsfw) for many stories of people struggling with prescription stimulant abuse. These people aren't taking it because it keeps them up longer for drinking.
      - brazzledazzle 4y ago
        I'm not denying that you can abuse prescription stimulants by taking large doses to get high but most people aren't taking 10-30mg a day and experiencing meth like feelings of euphoria. Especially with extended release formulations. It's also much harder to maintain the regular abuse of a prescription stimulant without resorting to illicit acquisition since most psychiatrists avoid prescribing high enough doses to make that feasible. I can't speak for every person who abuses prescription stimulants but I've met people that do and they always had a meth or other addiction in their past and were either buying from dealers or seeing multiple doctors/pharmacies. It's been a while since I've run into someone with that problem though so I don't even know if the latter strategy is effective anymore. I assume the feds maintain some kind of database these days.
OkayPhysicist 4y ago
It's a pretty huge difference. Desoxyn's focus improvement comes with a full-body euphoric rush, which while fun and all, dramatically increases its abuse potential and addictiveness. Amphetamine, in contrast, is just makes it easier to focus. Properly dosed, there's no rush, no euphoria, just slanted walls on the sides of your train of thought.
a2dam 4y ago
The difference is one of chemistry, not law. A helpful analogy is to find another pair of drugs that people are more familiar with where the difference is a single methyl group: caffeine and theobromine (the stimulant in chocolate). Saying that appropriately dosed amphetamine and methamphetamine don't have a "big" difference is like saying appropriately dosed chocolate and coffee don't have a "big" difference. The difference is clearly massive.
- eindiran 4y ago
  I disagree. In oral usage, when you control for potency, particularly with regard to the stereoisomer composition, amphetamine and methamphetamine are FAR closer in effect (and "side effects") than historically people have claimed. Pointing to the methyl group is completely missing the point; I am not talking about the absolute chemistry, but the pharmacology.