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Cloudflare DNS Must Block Pirate Sites, Italian Court Confirms
- betaby 4y ago99% of the times your ISP DNS resolver is a sensible choice. For the rest 1% - `unbound` most likely is the answer. Want something extra-fancy? https://pi-hole.net/ https://pi-hole.net/ Valley companies, "European public" or others aren't the answer to your DNS needs.
- PlotCitizen 4y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29047754 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29047754
- crtasm 4y agoThis is about their DNS resolver, it makes no difference if the sites ordered to be blocked make use of Cloudflare's services.
- greatgib 4y agoSad to remember that at one point, internet was decentralized and was not as easy to censor as today.
- superkuh 4y agoIt's going to get worse as HTTPS everywhere becomes the unchangable default and Google/MS/Apple eventually drop HTTP/1.1 support from their browsers. Without the ability to even make a connection to an IP, not just a domain, without the approval of a third party CA corporation the web will become very much smaller and more easily controlled.
- rcoveson 4y agoWhy does this make it worse? People who can override the DNS server their ISP advertises over DHCP can't just install an open CA, or use a browser that lets them bypass certificate verification?
- vlovich123 4y agoI keep hearing this but afaik letsencrypt is free and doesn’t have restrictions on generating it.
- Wowfunhappy 4y agoLet's Encrypt is free right now, but it is still centralized. A court could order them to revoke certificates from specific websites and stop issuing new ones.
- aaomidi 4y agoAnd this is why it’s important to have these CAs in different justifications. It’s been a pain convincing companies to fund them though.
- hammyhavoc 4y agoThe more likely outcome wouldn't be a certificate being revoked, but a renewal of the certificate being declined. The certs are only valid for 3 months.
- Wowfunhappy 4y agoI don't expect the major browsers to drop HTTP for some practical reasons, namely logging into routers and captive portals.
- zoobab 4y agoThey could easily revoke your certificate, and deactivate your website.
- scrollaway 4y agoDNS is still decentralized. Cloudflare DNS is just one of many.
- charcircuit 4y agoNot really. Verisign can censor any .com, .net, or .name domain. Since they run 1 of the 13 root servers they can technically somewhat censor any domain by MitM all top level domains.
- withinboredom 4y agoYou can always host your own instance: https://www.icann.org/root-server-system-en https://www.icann.org/root-server-system-en
- charcircuit 4y agoYes, but in that case .com, .net, and .name would all still be censorable.
- fomine3 4y agoI don't know what you want.
- charcircuit 4y agoA domain that isn't fragile enough that one company can take it down. Systems like namecoin or ens don't suffer from this problem because they are actually decentralized.
- hammyhavoc 4y agoSystems like Namecoin and ENS suffer from accessibility though because major browsers haven't adopted support for .bit or .eth domains.
- Overtonwindow 4y agoAt least this time Cloudflare is being ordered to do it, as opposed to just doing it because the CEO feels like it. I'm not sure which is worse.
- zirgs 4y agoThe CEO restricting access to a legal site without a court order is way worse.
- mdhb 4y agoJust want to make sure we are talking about the same thing here. The “legal site” you are referring to was the Nazi filled one that had the stated aim of trying to dox and harass minorities and kept a running tally of how many they could get to kill themselves? That’s the one you are more upset about getting blocked?
- zirgs 4y agoIf whatever they are doing is illegal then sue them and get the site taken down with a court order.
- mdhb 4y agoYou do understand that the internet crosses borders while national laws don’t right? It’s perfectly ok in a personal and professional sense to have your own standards rather than just throwing up your hands and saying “well it’s not technically illegal… in this country”
- zirgs 4y agoPower and water providers could also have "their own standards" and refuse to provide service to people whose opinions they don't like. See where this is going? I prefer clear rules for everyone not - we have freedom of speech, but we'll find a way to punish you if you say something some rich person doesn't like.
- AniseAbyss 4y ago[dead]
- throwaway71271 4y agodns was never decentralized, but i am not sure it matters, probably 99% of the internet will be generated within 2 years or so tbh sharing a hosts file with few friends and going back to talk(2) on a pubnix machine is a future i am looking forward to
- scrollaway 4y agoThe web is not the same thing as the internet, just a reminder. DNS is an underlying system to the whole thing.
- unstatusthequo 4y agoItaly is on a role lately. ChatGPT, English, fake meat, this…
- barking_biscuit 4y agoNext up: Italy bans Italy
- ChuckNorris89 4y agoDamn Italy, they ruined Italy.
- 3v1n0 4y ago[flagged]
- thefz 4y agoExcept that this is a court order and has nothing to do with the current government. You know, separation of powers, blabla. But it's just too easy to point the finger and yell "fascists".
- standing_user 4y agoLmao you can call these incompetents and corrupts all the name that you want but it doesn't change the fact that they are not neofascists or else, they are just playing a role, pretending to be on the right, in reality they are only fraudsters who siphon public money
- throw_a_grenade 4y agoI wonder if "alternative remedies" mentioned in TFA will include following the example of Gutenberg Project in Germany.
- thinkingemote 4y agoWe predicted this would happen when cloudfare blocked sites at times for their own political reasons. They proved to the countries of the world that they are not independent or neutral, they do take sides, they are not impartial and they will censor. Ironically the CEO of cloudfare explicitly and publicly recognised the danger the first time he did this, and then possibly forgot as they continued to do it as they preferred to be able to censor. My own opinion is that it's necessary and often good to censor but it's worse to pretend and lie that you are some independent platform above such things.
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- crtasm 4y agoYou're right that they took a side, they fought the court's ruling twice according to the TFA.
- hammon 4y ago[dead]