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Why is X11 bad? Our precious few F/OSS desktop apps are written for it (or OpenGl) so you can at best expect those to still work. Conversely, there's at least t

Why is X11 bad? Our precious few F/OSS desktop apps are written for it (or OpenGl) so you can at best expect those to still work. Conversely, there's at least the problem of screen sharing not working with Wayland, and moreover possible trouble with drivers for both new and old graphics hardware, and with developers needing to retest and qa older apps for Wayland. X11 might be old, but there are no new apps coming with the exception of Electron apps or other abstraction layers such as OpenGl/Vulcan/DirectX or whatever Steam is using or cross-platform IDEs (IDEA/Java Swing-based, Eclipse/SWT-based, etc.)

robberth 4y ago
Screen sharing on Wayland works for me using pipewire [0]. Super happy with it. [0] https://superuser.com/questions/1221333/screensharing-under-wayland https://superuser.com/questions/1221333/screensharing-under-...
- abbefaria27 4y ago
  Just for another data point, I haven’t gotten Wayland screen sharing to work reliably at all. I tried it in Fedora 35 and Ubuntu 22, where Wayland is the default. On Fedora it just didn’t work, and on Ubuntu, Firefox would crash every time. On Chrome it sort of worked after some updates. For Slack you needed to launch from the terminal with special environment variables. There were also weird bugs around docking my laptop, requiring hard resets. All in all, for any sort of modern remote work it wasn’t usable. I switched back to X11 and it’s been smooth sailing. I do miss the fancy trackpad gestures.
  - heavyset_go 4y ago
    Don't use distributions that are stuck with older versions of libraries that are under a ton of active development. Wayland on Ubuntu was okay for me, but running up-to-date Wayland and Pipewire libraries fixed the issues I was having with the distribution's Wayland support.
jackpeterfletch 4y ago
Have you used Wayland? If you have an AMD graphics card it’s fairly trivial to switch Pop_OS over. I found it to be very obviously a clear improvement in app start time and general snappiness in the OS. To extent that meaningfully improved the experience. Apparently there are gaming benefits too, steamdeck has adopted it for this reason.
- tannhaeuser 4y ago
  > Have you used Wayland? Yes I have, with Ubuntu 22.04 and kubuntu 22.04. As a result, I've switched to Mac OS ;) Though not because of Wayland specifically but eg. libinput causing physical pain as opposed to the nonlinear/kinetic scroll synaptics had was definitely a contributing factor, along with other regressions making me want to throw my notebook out of the window.

robberth 4y ago

Screen sharing on Wayland works for me using pipewire [0]. Super happy with it. [0] https://superuser.com/questions/1221333/screensharing-under-wayland https://superuser.com/questions/1221333/screensharing-under-...

abbefaria27 4y ago
Just for another data point, I haven’t gotten Wayland screen sharing to work reliably at all. I tried it in Fedora 35 and Ubuntu 22, where Wayland is the default. On Fedora it just didn’t work, and on Ubuntu, Firefox would crash every time. On Chrome it sort of worked after some updates. For Slack you needed to launch from the terminal with special environment variables. There were also weird bugs around docking my laptop, requiring hard resets. All in all, for any sort of modern remote work it wasn’t usable. I switched back to X11 and it’s been smooth sailing. I do miss the fancy trackpad gestures.
- heavyset_go 4y ago
  Don't use distributions that are stuck with older versions of libraries that are under a ton of active development. Wayland on Ubuntu was okay for me, but running up-to-date Wayland and Pipewire libraries fixed the issues I was having with the distribution's Wayland support.

jackpeterfletch 4y ago

Have you used Wayland? If you have an AMD graphics card it’s fairly trivial to switch Pop_OS over. I found it to be very obviously a clear improvement in app start time and general snappiness in the OS. To extent that meaningfully improved the experience. Apparently there are gaming benefits too, steamdeck has adopted it for this reason.

tannhaeuser 4y ago
> Have you used Wayland? Yes I have, with Ubuntu 22.04 and kubuntu 22.04. As a result, I've switched to Mac OS ;) Though not because of Wayland specifically but eg. libinput causing physical pain as opposed to the nonlinear/kinetic scroll synaptics had was definitely a contributing factor, along with other regressions making me want to throw my notebook out of the window.