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>The major point I make is that the posts online that purport to come from Slaren do not show that they had "distanced themselves from [the] situation". It's e

>The major point I make is that the posts online that purport to come from Slaren do not show that they had "distanced themselves from [the] situation". It's evident from simply looking at the PR that the user @slaren on the Github distanced himself from the situation. Days had passed with no one discussing the stolen code until I brought it up in the original PR (which jart rebased off of and created the infamous "Make loading weights 10-100x faster" PR) > Yes, I can see that you were one of the key people that created drama, by asking "I'm wondering how much was written by you and how much by jart?" [0] I didn't create drama. Jart created drama. By stealing code. Plagiarism. Then shameless self-promotion, to this very moment. Do you have absolutely no integrity whatsoever? >and then when they publicly said they didn't want to start drama, trying to get private comment from them by saying "My contact info is in my profile if there's more to say." They didn't contact me, and I simply went through the public Github history to document what jart had done, and continues to do. >I think somebody could choose to believe this, but somebody that reads the GitHub and desuarchive.org threads might also feel that @InconsolableCellist and @slaren had a part to play, too. Yes, correct. I told you my part, I noticed what jart was doing. Why have you continually ignored what jart did? Why do you seem to think it's some minor issue that she stole code, bragged about it, took all the credit, and damaged the community with unnecessary drama? Why are you so focused on everything except the central ethical issue? >Yes, it's technically possible that somebody pretending to be Slaren investigated the GitHub and was able to correctly infer exactly what happened chronologically including that they had collaborated on jart's Discord. However, Occam's razor suggests it was Slaren themselves and not a very clever troll. Even if that were true--which it isn't, to my knowledge--it changes nothing about jart's behavior. Even if every user also used derogatory slurs, it changes nothing about the wrong was committed (but adds additional wrongs). Fortunately, for anyone level-headed enough to look at what's been discussed so far, you can see the unethical behavior of the user that stole code, the aftermath, and the appropriate reaction for that user to be banned. The behavior that you've ignored and seem wholly unconcerned with, as if blind to it. Plagiarism.

lhnz 4y ago
I believe you meant to respond to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35430052 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35430052 However, I won't respond to you here, since (1) it should be quite clear that I think @slaren wasn't given enough recognition for their work from my prior comments and that there is a more positive approach you could have taken to helping to give them this, and (2) the rest of what you said about ethics is subjective, and I think wrong in magnitude -- for example, I'm not sure it's correct to call it "plagiarism" when @jart's PR mentioned the collaboration with @slaren, used co-authored commits and linked to their PR.
- IAmNotACellist 4y ago
  "my changes" "Here's how folks in the community have been reacting to my work." "I just wrote a change that's going to let your LLaMA models load instantly..." https://archive.ph/PyPFZ https://archive.ph/PyPFZ "I'm the author" https://archive.ph/qFrcY https://archive.ph/qFrcY "Author here..." "Tragedy of the commons...We're talking to a group of people who live inside scientific papers and jupyer notebooks." "My change helps inference go faster." "The point of my change..." "I stated my change offered a 2x improvement in memory usage." https://archive.ph/k34V2 https://archive.ph/k34V2 "I can only take credit for a 2x recrease in RAM usage." https://archive.ph/MBPN0 https://archive.ph/MBPN0 "I just wrote a change that's going to let your LLaMA models load instantly, thanks to custom malloc() and the power of mmap()" https://archive.ph/yrMwh https://archive.ph/yrMwh jart was working on a malloc() approach that didn't work and slaren wrote all the code actually doing mmap, which jart then rebased in a random new PR, changed to support an unnecessary version change, magic numbers, a conversion tool, and WIN32 support when that was already working in the draft PR. https://archive.ph/Uva8c https://archive.ph/Uva8c
  - lhnz 4y ago
    From what I can see, @jart had spent a considerable amount of time on this problem and had posted an interesting-but-not-production hack to it (https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp/commit/5b8023d935401072b73b63ea995aaae040d57b87 https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp/commit/5b8023d9354010...) on March 17th, which they had also excitedly posted about on Twitter. This was 2 weeks prior to @slaren's contribution (https://github.com/slaren/llama.cpp/commit/fc685122f95f212d11c7ce07cf5201c8ac752925 https://github.com/slaren/llama.cpp/commit/fc685122f95f212d1...) on March 29th, so in a sense, it's quite possible that what you've just shown is that @slaren saw that @jart was working on mmap support, worked out a cleaner solution and then wasn't happy with only being a co-author -- for their contribution, they believed that they must be the only person mentioned on the PR: although this is weird, since I don't think they even have a public profile, so maybe instead the truth is that they weren't comfortable with working with somebody that hypes up any changes they've worked on for popularity? I don't think saying "my changes" on Twitter and other social media means what you suggest it does as is it is just informal speech to refer to things you've worked on with "my", and particularly when you see the times this was expanded (e.g. "yesterday my changes to the LLaMA C++ file format were approved") it seems more reasonable than it does without this context.

lhnz 4y ago

I believe you meant to respond to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35430052 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35430052 However, I won't respond to you here, since (1) it should be quite clear that I think @slaren wasn't given enough recognition for their work from my prior comments and that there is a more positive approach you could have taken to helping to give them this, and (2) the rest of what you said about ethics is subjective, and I think wrong in magnitude -- for example, I'm not sure it's correct to call it "plagiarism" when @jart's PR mentioned the collaboration with @slaren, used co-authored commits and linked to their PR.

IAmNotACellist 4y ago
"my changes" "Here's how folks in the community have been reacting to my work." "I just wrote a change that's going to let your LLaMA models load instantly..." https://archive.ph/PyPFZ https://archive.ph/PyPFZ "I'm the author" https://archive.ph/qFrcY https://archive.ph/qFrcY "Author here..." "Tragedy of the commons...We're talking to a group of people who live inside scientific papers and jupyer notebooks." "My change helps inference go faster." "The point of my change..." "I stated my change offered a 2x improvement in memory usage." https://archive.ph/k34V2 https://archive.ph/k34V2 "I can only take credit for a 2x recrease in RAM usage." https://archive.ph/MBPN0 https://archive.ph/MBPN0 "I just wrote a change that's going to let your LLaMA models load instantly, thanks to custom malloc() and the power of mmap()" https://archive.ph/yrMwh https://archive.ph/yrMwh jart was working on a malloc() approach that didn't work and slaren wrote all the code actually doing mmap, which jart then rebased in a random new PR, changed to support an unnecessary version change, magic numbers, a conversion tool, and WIN32 support when that was already working in the draft PR. https://archive.ph/Uva8c https://archive.ph/Uva8c
- lhnz 4y ago
  From what I can see, @jart had spent a considerable amount of time on this problem and had posted an interesting-but-not-production hack to it (https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp/commit/5b8023d935401072b73b63ea995aaae040d57b87 https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp/commit/5b8023d9354010...) on March 17th, which they had also excitedly posted about on Twitter. This was 2 weeks prior to @slaren's contribution (https://github.com/slaren/llama.cpp/commit/fc685122f95f212d11c7ce07cf5201c8ac752925 https://github.com/slaren/llama.cpp/commit/fc685122f95f212d1...) on March 29th, so in a sense, it's quite possible that what you've just shown is that @slaren saw that @jart was working on mmap support, worked out a cleaner solution and then wasn't happy with only being a co-author -- for their contribution, they believed that they must be the only person mentioned on the PR: although this is weird, since I don't think they even have a public profile, so maybe instead the truth is that they weren't comfortable with working with somebody that hypes up any changes they've worked on for popularity? I don't think saying "my changes" on Twitter and other social media means what you suggest it does as is it is just informal speech to refer to things you've worked on with "my", and particularly when you see the times this was expanded (e.g. "yesterday my changes to the LLaMA C++ file format were approved") it seems more reasonable than it does without this context.