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What happened? Long knock down and a hatch glass failure? Or a failure to secure the hatch glass entirely?

wpietri 4y ago
It was a rental, so I'm not totally sure. I think they told me that there was a compartment that wasn't properly sealed? Once you took sailing classes at the place, you could take one out. My first time out on my own I backwinded the jib, which knocked it down. Then my non-sailor friends grabbed for the top rail, turtling the boat. Eventually we got it back up and started bailing, but it kept getting lower in the water, so we all jumped out again. The back then pretty rapidly sank, leaving a foot of the mast and a foot of the bow above the water. That left us treading water two miles offshore on a quiet Wednesday afternoon. As you might imagine, I haven't done a lot of sailing since.
- trillic 4y ago
  The hardest times to get back into the boat are after an incident like this. I've been dismasted twice but thankfully have never had a MOB or near-sinking incident. In the summer of 2021, I purchased a Vanguard 15 sailboat to race with my significant other. We were entered into a casual regatta in late August 2021, might've been Labor Day Weekend. Either way, we're racing out of Montrose Harbor in Chicago, likely not far from where you're sailing. The forecast is 15-25 knots out of the North. Our racecourse was just beyond the point fully exposed to the 6-8 foot rollers from the north. We're both competitive sailors, sailed in college, and both have dozens of nights and thousands of miles offshore even at our junior age of 24. Both of us have sailed in these conditions, in boats this small, but not together, and certainly not on a 15-foot dinghy. Despite this, we were stoked for the event and didn't give the weather much thought. The wind increases by about 5-10 knots as the afternoon sun turns on the sea breeze. 20+kt consistent gusts to 30kt. We are a combined 305 lbs, significantly underweight for the conditions and our boat setup, and not nearly enough rig tension for our combined weight and the breeze. We end up capsizing the boat, we can right it successfully the first 3 times. But not the 4th time. My body is shot, the water is cold, and the mast has begun to fill with water such that getting it upright is a Sisyphean effort with my 200 lbs of cold shaky muscle. In the breeze, the mast being full of water makes it so heavy the moment I get the boat upright, the weight of the mast and the mainsail take it the full 180 back in the other direction, back to a capsize and we continue to drift southwest away from Chicago toward the water intake cribs. Thankfully, as this was a dinghy regatta in a heavy breeze on a wavy day, the club had a safety boat on the course. There were some Chicago Corinthian Yacht Club junior sailors (teenagers) in power boats who thankfully came and helped me keep the boat up one last time while we got the main down and rig a tow line. We're still together thankfully and the boat had no damage. But it was a good lesson and it changed me as a sailor forever. I am much more cautious and less seat of my pants, on all-sized boats. I still get some wind anxiety, checking windy.com even when I'm just going for a drive or a walk I'll get anxious if I see a breeze over 25. With time and hours on the water those anxieties lessen, and now, like 18 months later, I only get those jitters when there's a storm in the forecast. I went sailing on Lake Michigan just this Saturday (water temp 37F, wind 22 gusting 30+ out of the north). Even 20kts out of the north in the same location a year later was no big deal since I had 75 sailing days since the incident. My advice, get back out there, there's no better therapy for a bad day sailing than a bunch of good days sailing. If you're ever back in Chicago let me know, I'd love to take you sailing. I sail with a bunch of nerds here and we usually race shorthanded so we have space for a couple of guests. Wednesday and Thursday nights just gimme a shout to the email in my bio. Obligatory big breeze big waves Chicago Sailing footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ibSzKNxk08 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ibSzKNxk08
  - wpietri 4y ago
    Holy moly. Yes, this kind of experience really puts an imprint on the nervous system, doesn't it? I'm very glad it all worked out for you. I have gone sailing a few times since, and those first times were intense. I get the good lesson part. I was always big on safety gear before, but now I'm a fiend for lifejackets. And I totally feel you on the mast. There was a moment after our boat turtled that I realized that the sails were making it incredibly hard to right. So one of my companions dived down and "lowered" the main underwater. That moment when a theoretical possibility becomes your biggest problem is always special. Your offer is very kind! I live in SF now, but I really appreciate the thought.
- p-o 4y ago
  This is the kind of story that is amazing to read and even more amazing to hear in person. Since you're telling it today, I assume that even though it was probably a pretty stressful event when it occurred, you now have the perspective to enjoy telling the story and see everyone's face when you tell it. Thank you for the laughter.
  - wpietri 4y ago
    Yeah, told in person it's one of my everybody-get-a-fresh-beer stories. It all turned out fine, so we all laugh about it now.
- arwineap 4y ago
  Are you sure it wasn't a j/24? j/24 had lockable lazerettes in the cockpit, and the issue was that when they flipped, the lazerettes could flip open (hinged on the seats), they would fill with water and would sink the boat. This was a well documented issue, and the "solution" was to lock the lazerettes to prevent the ingress of water. I suspect this was eventually fixed, but it's honestly embarassing how long it took It's fascinating to me that a charter company did not lock them on the entire fleet and throw away the keys.
  - jaxn 4y ago
    I also thought it sounded more like a j/24 cockpit locker.
  - wpietri 4y ago
    This was 20-odd years ago, so I can't swear to anything. But the way it was explained to me, the boat had air pockets fore and aft to make it unsinkable, which is why they chose them for their student boats. But that in this one, the rear one hadn't been sealed properly, so water leaked in as we were trying to get back to shore. They were certainly embarrassed about it. But so was I, so we just called it even. Digging around, this was the place: https://www.yelp.com/biz/chicago-sailing-chicago-2?rr=3 https://www.yelp.com/biz/chicago-sailing-chicago-2?rr=3 The history described there matches my memory of it being a J/22.
    - trillic 4y ago
      J/22's are great student boats but I am not the biggest fan of that particular charter group here in Chicago. Nice guys, but thrown together boats and instruction. Chicago Corinthian, Chicago Yacht Club, and Columbia Yacht Club (in no particular order) in my opinion hold themselves to a higher standard of boat maintenance and instruction.
- mypalmike 4y ago
  Nightmare fuel for me. I can't imagine how this would have gone where I sail in Puget Sound. The water is cold all year round (max is about 57F in August), and a single COB is a pretty big deal due to body temp issues.
  - wpietri 4y ago
    Yeah, this happened to me in Chicago. I was fine in the water, so I'm going to guess the water was in the 60s. But after a while one of my leaner companions climbed up on the bit of the bow railing still above water to try to get warmer, so I doubt the water was in the 70s. I moved to the SF Bay not long after, so you clearly get why I haven't done much sailing here. I did a triathlon swim here plus some bay training, and the cold water is a real shock to the system.

It was a rental, so I'm not totally sure. I think they told me that there was a compartment that wasn't properly sealed? Once you took sailing classes at the place, you could take one out. My first time out on my own I backwinded the jib, which knocked it down. Then my non-sailor friends grabbed for the top rail, turtling the boat. Eventually we got it back up and started bailing, but it kept getting lower in the water, so we all jumped out again. The back then pretty rapidly sank, leaving a foot of the mast and a foot of the bow above the water. That left us treading water two miles offshore on a quiet Wednesday afternoon. As you might imagine, I haven't done a lot of sailing since.

trillic 4y ago
The hardest times to get back into the boat are after an incident like this. I've been dismasted twice but thankfully have never had a MOB or near-sinking incident. In the summer of 2021, I purchased a Vanguard 15 sailboat to race with my significant other. We were entered into a casual regatta in late August 2021, might've been Labor Day Weekend. Either way, we're racing out of Montrose Harbor in Chicago, likely not far from where you're sailing. The forecast is 15-25 knots out of the North. Our racecourse was just beyond the point fully exposed to the 6-8 foot rollers from the north. We're both competitive sailors, sailed in college, and both have dozens of nights and thousands of miles offshore even at our junior age of 24. Both of us have sailed in these conditions, in boats this small, but not together, and certainly not on a 15-foot dinghy. Despite this, we were stoked for the event and didn't give the weather much thought. The wind increases by about 5-10 knots as the afternoon sun turns on the sea breeze. 20+kt consistent gusts to 30kt. We are a combined 305 lbs, significantly underweight for the conditions and our boat setup, and not nearly enough rig tension for our combined weight and the breeze. We end up capsizing the boat, we can right it successfully the first 3 times. But not the 4th time. My body is shot, the water is cold, and the mast has begun to fill with water such that getting it upright is a Sisyphean effort with my 200 lbs of cold shaky muscle. In the breeze, the mast being full of water makes it so heavy the moment I get the boat upright, the weight of the mast and the mainsail take it the full 180 back in the other direction, back to a capsize and we continue to drift southwest away from Chicago toward the water intake cribs. Thankfully, as this was a dinghy regatta in a heavy breeze on a wavy day, the club had a safety boat on the course. There were some Chicago Corinthian Yacht Club junior sailors (teenagers) in power boats who thankfully came and helped me keep the boat up one last time while we got the main down and rig a tow line. We're still together thankfully and the boat had no damage. But it was a good lesson and it changed me as a sailor forever. I am much more cautious and less seat of my pants, on all-sized boats. I still get some wind anxiety, checking windy.com even when I'm just going for a drive or a walk I'll get anxious if I see a breeze over 25. With time and hours on the water those anxieties lessen, and now, like 18 months later, I only get those jitters when there's a storm in the forecast. I went sailing on Lake Michigan just this Saturday (water temp 37F, wind 22 gusting 30+ out of the north). Even 20kts out of the north in the same location a year later was no big deal since I had 75 sailing days since the incident. My advice, get back out there, there's no better therapy for a bad day sailing than a bunch of good days sailing. If you're ever back in Chicago let me know, I'd love to take you sailing. I sail with a bunch of nerds here and we usually race shorthanded so we have space for a couple of guests. Wednesday and Thursday nights just gimme a shout to the email in my bio. Obligatory big breeze big waves Chicago Sailing footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ibSzKNxk08 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ibSzKNxk08
- wpietri 4y ago
  Holy moly. Yes, this kind of experience really puts an imprint on the nervous system, doesn't it? I'm very glad it all worked out for you. I have gone sailing a few times since, and those first times were intense. I get the good lesson part. I was always big on safety gear before, but now I'm a fiend for lifejackets. And I totally feel you on the mast. There was a moment after our boat turtled that I realized that the sails were making it incredibly hard to right. So one of my companions dived down and "lowered" the main underwater. That moment when a theoretical possibility becomes your biggest problem is always special. Your offer is very kind! I live in SF now, but I really appreciate the thought.
p-o 4y ago
This is the kind of story that is amazing to read and even more amazing to hear in person. Since you're telling it today, I assume that even though it was probably a pretty stressful event when it occurred, you now have the perspective to enjoy telling the story and see everyone's face when you tell it. Thank you for the laughter.
- wpietri 4y ago
  Yeah, told in person it's one of my everybody-get-a-fresh-beer stories. It all turned out fine, so we all laugh about it now.
arwineap 4y ago
Are you sure it wasn't a j/24? j/24 had lockable lazerettes in the cockpit, and the issue was that when they flipped, the lazerettes could flip open (hinged on the seats), they would fill with water and would sink the boat. This was a well documented issue, and the "solution" was to lock the lazerettes to prevent the ingress of water. I suspect this was eventually fixed, but it's honestly embarassing how long it took It's fascinating to me that a charter company did not lock them on the entire fleet and throw away the keys.
- jaxn 4y ago
  I also thought it sounded more like a j/24 cockpit locker.
- wpietri 4y ago
  This was 20-odd years ago, so I can't swear to anything. But the way it was explained to me, the boat had air pockets fore and aft to make it unsinkable, which is why they chose them for their student boats. But that in this one, the rear one hadn't been sealed properly, so water leaked in as we were trying to get back to shore. They were certainly embarrassed about it. But so was I, so we just called it even. Digging around, this was the place: https://www.yelp.com/biz/chicago-sailing-chicago-2?rr=3 https://www.yelp.com/biz/chicago-sailing-chicago-2?rr=3 The history described there matches my memory of it being a J/22.
  - trillic 4y ago
    J/22's are great student boats but I am not the biggest fan of that particular charter group here in Chicago. Nice guys, but thrown together boats and instruction. Chicago Corinthian, Chicago Yacht Club, and Columbia Yacht Club (in no particular order) in my opinion hold themselves to a higher standard of boat maintenance and instruction.
mypalmike 4y ago
Nightmare fuel for me. I can't imagine how this would have gone where I sail in Puget Sound. The water is cold all year round (max is about 57F in August), and a single COB is a pretty big deal due to body temp issues.
- wpietri 4y ago
  Yeah, this happened to me in Chicago. I was fine in the water, so I'm going to guess the water was in the 60s. But after a while one of my leaner companions climbed up on the bit of the bow railing still above water to try to get warmer, so I doubt the water was in the 70s. I moved to the SF Bay not long after, so you clearly get why I haven't done much sailing here. I did a triathlon swim here plus some bay training, and the cold water is a real shock to the system.