6 ms·

My rav4 prime has a combined range well north of 500 miles and I need every bit of it-because I live in the sticks and we’re not to the point of being able to c

by ianai 4y ago

My rav4 prime has a combined range well north of 500 miles and I need every bit of it-because I live in the sticks and we’re not to the point of being able to charge comparably. Something’s got to give.

TeMPOraL 4y ago
> Something’s got to give. Living in the sticks? ICEs enabled housing sparsity, reversing that is part of the solution.
- ianai 4y ago
  I’m guessing you don’t realize how offensive that statement is. I’d like to know what percentage of GDP is done “in the sticks”. It’s one of the more viable ways to address NIMBYISM and locality problems.
  - selectodude 4y ago
    20 percent of the population, 10 percent of GDP. So the entirety of rural USA has a GDP 3 points higher than the NYC metro area. https://www.americanprogress.org/article/redefining-rural-america/ https://www.americanprogress.org/article/redefining-rural-am...
    - bumby 4y ago
      A couple things: That census definition of urban/rural is different from the colloquial definition. The census link allows an "urban" classification as low as 2,500 people. Colloquially-defined rural areas have been decimated by globalization in the last 40 years. The "rural" area I grew up in had thousands of manufacturing jobs; now it may have 200. The drop in GDP goes far beyond urban sprawl enabled by ICE vehicles.
      - ianai 4y ago
        2000 is far far too low to declare things urban. That line should be drawn at least above 10k-20k, I think. Also critical infrastructure is out “in the sticks” like dams, power infrastructure (lines/plants/storage), and the support of the container trucks. Then there’s agriculture. It all needs to be electrified and reachable by electrics.
    - rurp 4y ago
      I generally hate that rural areas are so over-represented in US politics but jesus, some of the comments in this thread are making me question that. There is some serious big city myopia going on here. Not everyone can and wants to live their entire lives in a dense city and that's perfectly fine.
scythe 4y ago
It should be very possible in a decade or so to extend charging capacity to the boondocks. Just look at where we were ten years ago, versus today. In the meantime, if you can install even a slow 220V/12A charger in your garage, a PHEV should be quite effective.
- ianai 4y ago
  Quite, it’s about a 90/10 split right now. 80/20 would really be something. Edit Just to expand on this, the current 90/10 split (500 miles gas/40ish electric) has cut my long distance drive gas usage down by something like 50-75%. If it were more like 500 miles gas/100 miles electric that’d probably cut it down to 2-4 gallons of gas per month or less. Around my house is already fully electric with the 10%. The numbers I have not done are would simply going inline series with the gas be better than having the traditional power train and electric. In line meaning a generator to fire up the amps needed when the batter gets low-how modern trains work. I’m guessing it’s not so obvious since BMW cancelled their range extender.

by ianai 4y ago

TeMPOraL 4y ago

> Something’s got to give. Living in the sticks? ICEs enabled housing sparsity, reversing that is part of the solution.

ianai 4y ago
I’m guessing you don’t realize how offensive that statement is. I’d like to know what percentage of GDP is done “in the sticks”. It’s one of the more viable ways to address NIMBYISM and locality problems.
- selectodude 4y ago
  20 percent of the population, 10 percent of GDP. So the entirety of rural USA has a GDP 3 points higher than the NYC metro area. https://www.americanprogress.org/article/redefining-rural-america/ https://www.americanprogress.org/article/redefining-rural-am...
  - bumby 4y ago
    A couple things: That census definition of urban/rural is different from the colloquial definition. The census link allows an "urban" classification as low as 2,500 people. Colloquially-defined rural areas have been decimated by globalization in the last 40 years. The "rural" area I grew up in had thousands of manufacturing jobs; now it may have 200. The drop in GDP goes far beyond urban sprawl enabled by ICE vehicles.
    - ianai 4y ago
      2000 is far far too low to declare things urban. That line should be drawn at least above 10k-20k, I think. Also critical infrastructure is out “in the sticks” like dams, power infrastructure (lines/plants/storage), and the support of the container trucks. Then there’s agriculture. It all needs to be electrified and reachable by electrics.
  - rurp 4y ago
    I generally hate that rural areas are so over-represented in US politics but jesus, some of the comments in this thread are making me question that. There is some serious big city myopia going on here. Not everyone can and wants to live their entire lives in a dense city and that's perfectly fine.

scythe 4y ago

It should be very possible in a decade or so to extend charging capacity to the boondocks. Just look at where we were ten years ago, versus today. In the meantime, if you can install even a slow 220V/12A charger in your garage, a PHEV should be quite effective.

ianai 4y ago
Quite, it’s about a 90/10 split right now. 80/20 would really be something. Edit Just to expand on this, the current 90/10 split (500 miles gas/40ish electric) has cut my long distance drive gas usage down by something like 50-75%. If it were more like 500 miles gas/100 miles electric that’d probably cut it down to 2-4 gallons of gas per month or less. Around my house is already fully electric with the 10%. The numbers I have not done are would simply going inline series with the gas be better than having the traditional power train and electric. In line meaning a generator to fire up the amps needed when the batter gets low-how modern trains work. I’m guessing it’s not so obvious since BMW cancelled their range extender.