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Whilst this obviously seems like a dumb move (and likely will stay that way) is there not a case that the vision software will continue improving rapidly until

Whilst this obviously seems like a dumb move (and likely will stay that way) is there not a case that the vision software will continue improving rapidly until it is better than the original parking sensors?

gambiting 4y ago
How can it be better than parking sensors? Seriously, what is the area where normal parking sensors are failing at?
- iknowstuff 4y ago
  Poles and curbs
te_chris 4y ago
There is, but why ship a bad product until it does?
- jack_riminton 4y ago
  Full agreement there. Although I think there's nothing like finding your edge cases by deploying!
Hamuko 4y ago
Not seeing it. I feel like there's a reason why we have backup cameras AND parking sensors, even though we have a pretty intelligent vision system inside our brains.
justeleblanc 4y ago
A good stance to have if you have access to a crystal ball that can tell the future, and you don't care about safety today.
amluto 4y ago
Yes and no. IMO the major benefit of parking sensors is that they see things that the driver and the cameras can’t. Not because of perceptual or image processing issues — because the obstacles are obscured by the rest of the car. So surely a good enough machine vision algorithm could do the same things if it had camera on the bumper, but they would get dirty and be more expensive than ultrasonic sensors on the bumpers. How many times have you not been sure whether there’s an obstacle right in front of your car because you can’t see there? (Maybe a really nice mapping algorithm could remember what’s in the way, but that’s not terribly useful when un-parking if obstacles move, or when parking and approaching obstacles of which the driver and the cameras have never gotten a good view.)
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  On my 2019 Model 3, the sensors could not detect the curb in front of the car even when it was tall enough to hit the bumper cover. So there's definitely room for improvement there. That's pretty implementation-specific, of course, some cars can do it. I'd just like functional top-down 360 camera view like a bargain basement Nissan Rogue has. My eyes can detect the curb.
rootusrootus 4y ago
Think about how much the auto wipers have improved in the last 5 years. That's about what I expect for vision-based parking. Part of the problem is that the cameras Tesla puts in a Model 3/Y were mediocre in 2018. By today's standards they're really quite bad. Though I think I heard a rumor that this would finally be changing soon.

gambiting 4y ago

How can it be better than parking sensors? Seriously, what is the area where normal parking sensors are failing at?

iknowstuff 4y ago
Poles and curbs

te_chris 4y ago

There is, but why ship a bad product until it does?

jack_riminton 4y ago
Full agreement there. Although I think there's nothing like finding your edge cases by deploying!

Hamuko 4y ago

Not seeing it. I feel like there's a reason why we have backup cameras AND parking sensors, even though we have a pretty intelligent vision system inside our brains.

justeleblanc 4y ago

A good stance to have if you have access to a crystal ball that can tell the future, and you don't care about safety today.

amluto 4y ago

Yes and no. IMO the major benefit of parking sensors is that they see things that the driver and the cameras can’t. Not because of perceptual or image processing issues — because the obstacles are obscured by the rest of the car. So surely a good enough machine vision algorithm could do the same things if it had camera on the bumper, but they would get dirty and be more expensive than ultrasonic sensors on the bumpers. How many times have you not been sure whether there’s an obstacle right in front of your car because you can’t see there? (Maybe a really nice mapping algorithm could remember what’s in the way, but that’s not terribly useful when un-parking if obstacles move, or when parking and approaching obstacles of which the driver and the cameras have never gotten a good view.)

rootusrootus 4y ago
On my 2019 Model 3, the sensors could not detect the curb in front of the car even when it was tall enough to hit the bumper cover. So there's definitely room for improvement there. That's pretty implementation-specific, of course, some cars can do it. I'd just like functional top-down 360 camera view like a bargain basement Nissan Rogue has. My eyes can detect the curb.

rootusrootus 4y ago

Think about how much the auto wipers have improved in the last 5 years. That's about what I expect for vision-based parking. Part of the problem is that the cameras Tesla puts in a Model 3/Y were mediocre in 2018. By today's standards they're really quite bad. Though I think I heard a rumor that this would finally be changing soon.