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To be consistent, at least they should actively promote remote work... Unusually, I don't see them eating their own dog food on this one. I'm not optimist on th

by doe88 4y ago

To be consistent, at least they should actively promote remote work... Unusually, I don't see them eating their own dog food on this one. I'm not optimist on this whole product.

rcarr 4y ago
Well I think everyone outside of the socially anxious would agree that face to face conversation conversation is preferable to telephone calls and video chat. That doesn’t change the fact that the iPhone is probably the most successful product of all time. I’m a remote work advocate, but just because Apple themselves don’t prefer remote work doesn’t mean they can’t put out a product that aids in it. Besides, I’m not convinced that remote work is necessarily what they’re talking about here. You could have a bunch of architects in a meeting together discussing a blueprint, you could have a bunch of medical students in a university hospital seeing a surgery through the eyes of a surgeon rather than from the viewing area, there’s a lot of decent use cases outside of coding for a good headset if it’s done right. Whether it has enough appeal to cross over into the mainstream or not is another matter. Just because Zuckerberg dropped the ball with his dystopian metaverse doesn’t necessarily mean every other company will.
- zardo 4y ago
  > face to face conversation conversation is preferable to telephone calls and video chat. But that's not the trade-off. The face to face conversations come with an hour or two of unconsempated commuting.
  - rcarr 4y ago
    I don’t see how this is relevant. I’ve already said I’m a remote work advocate. I’m pointing out that existing apple devices that allow for non face to face communication have proven wildly successful despite apple not getting behind remote work. So we can’t rule out the headset also being successful based with the logic that if apple believed in the headset then it would also believe in remote work.
entropea 4y ago
I own a valve index and spend probably 2000hr/year in it playing social 'games' like VRChat. There is no way you could get me to do remote work in it. VR to me is for escaping reality and the negatives that come with real life. I also am not optimistic hearing the $3,000+ price tag when most consumer headsets are below $1500 and an environment with games, activities, social apps etc. has already been created for them.

by doe88 4y ago

To be consistent, at least they should actively promote remote work... Unusually, I don't see them eating their own dog food on this one. I'm not optimist on this whole product.

rcarr 4y ago

Well I think everyone outside of the socially anxious would agree that face to face conversation conversation is preferable to telephone calls and video chat. That doesn’t change the fact that the iPhone is probably the most successful product of all time. I’m a remote work advocate, but just because Apple themselves don’t prefer remote work doesn’t mean they can’t put out a product that aids in it. Besides, I’m not convinced that remote work is necessarily what they’re talking about here. You could have a bunch of architects in a meeting together discussing a blueprint, you could have a bunch of medical students in a university hospital seeing a surgery through the eyes of a surgeon rather than from the viewing area, there’s a lot of decent use cases outside of coding for a good headset if it’s done right. Whether it has enough appeal to cross over into the mainstream or not is another matter. Just because Zuckerberg dropped the ball with his dystopian metaverse doesn’t necessarily mean every other company will.

zardo 4y ago
> face to face conversation conversation is preferable to telephone calls and video chat. But that's not the trade-off. The face to face conversations come with an hour or two of unconsempated commuting.
- rcarr 4y ago
  I don’t see how this is relevant. I’ve already said I’m a remote work advocate. I’m pointing out that existing apple devices that allow for non face to face communication have proven wildly successful despite apple not getting behind remote work. So we can’t rule out the headset also being successful based with the logic that if apple believed in the headset then it would also believe in remote work.

entropea 4y ago

I own a valve index and spend probably 2000hr/year in it playing social 'games' like VRChat. There is no way you could get me to do remote work in it. VR to me is for escaping reality and the negatives that come with real life. I also am not optimistic hearing the $3,000+ price tag when most consumer headsets are below $1500 and an environment with games, activities, social apps etc. has already been created for them.