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First, the underlying article/interview makes more sense to read than the Verge summary of one section of it: https://www.gq.com/story/tim-cook-global-creativit

First, the underlying article/interview makes more sense to read than the Verge summary of one section of it: https://www.gq.com/story/tim-cook-global-creativity-awards-cover-2023?mbid=social_twitter https://www.gq.com/story/tim-cook-global-creativity-awards-c... Just skip to "But he was willing to explain why Apple might—hypothetically—be interested in something in the world of AR/VR." True telepresence is as exciting to me as teleportation. But I'm skeptical of any approach with a headset. I prefer Google Project Starline approach and wish it was focused on families and friends using it with each other, even as it's insanely expensive. My personal dream is something that makes me feel that people are in the room even when I'm not paying attention to them. I'm forced to work in the office today and I kinda wish my girlfriend could "be" here with me even as I ignore her while I'm working. I think it's underestimated how much people would be willing to pay for real telepresence with family and friends. I'd keep a thing like that on all day.

kmlx 4y ago
Project Starline is actually quite cool: https://blog.google/technology/research/project-starline/ https://blog.google/technology/research/project-starline/ "Google will begin testing the technology with corporations such as Salesforce and T-Mobile beginning in late 2022." haven't heard of any tests. is the project still in progress?
- elicash 4y ago
  LinkedIn shows people in working on it and Google hiring for it, too. But I haven't heard from anybody at Salesforce or T-Mobile.
- DHPersonal 4y ago
  The author of the article you linked is Clay Bavor, who left Google in February 2023 to work with the former co-CEO of Salesforce. — https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/8/23591447/google-clay-bavor-head-of-vr-ar-labs-ai-company-bret-taylor https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/8/23591447/google-clay-bavor...
- fuzzythinker 4y ago
  Not sure if going only after enterprise (starting with Salesforce) to beta test is the right call. I think the technology needs more good stories to gain more momentum, which a PR from Salesforce alone may not do. By going after consumers, say building out a few "booths" in selected cities and partnering with a hospital to build booths there, "live saving" stories or how love ones can connect can gain more interests to get the ball rolling.
jolmg 4y ago
How important do you feel it is for their real physical bodies to be what you see instead of a 3d avatar? And how important do you feel it is to be able to see them in your actual physical room instead of a 3d virtual space? Basically, I'm asking how far from satisfactory is VRChat. > But I'm skeptical of any approach with a headset. Is the problem that it's less comfortable than not having it on?
- elicash 4y ago
  As you can read here: https://storage.googleapis.com/pub-tools-public-publication-data/pdf/424ee26722e5863f1ce17890d9499ba9a964d84f.pdf https://storage.googleapis.com/pub-tools-public-publication-... (PDF) they "reconstruct geometric approximations of the user, using a combination of visible and near-infrared (NIR) global-shutter image sensors." So I'm not a purist on what's "real" as long as it appears real to me. I do want to feel like they're in the room with me and while comfort is one issue, it's not the only issue. It's more of a psychological one. But yeah, I suppose if a headset was shrunk down to the size of my regular glasses I'd be fine. I'm skeptical that's in my lifetime.
  - jolmg 4y ago
    Personally, while I've tried neither, I feel like there wouldn't be much difference between that and video chat, psychologically speaking. I think that's because they'd be fixed to a particular position in the room, like a TV would. You wouldn't be able to e.g. dance around the room together or watch the same TV together or explore other areas together, like you would with VRChat in a virtual space. Seems like there's tradeoffs to be had in the psychological experience.
    - elicash 4y ago
      Most of what I'm interested in is passive. I want to read my own book and listen to music next to somebody. And I'm definitely not a dancer!
Pulcinella 4y ago
Telepresence is actually a big downside for me (telepresence for work, that is, being able to see long distance family memebers would be great). I dislike most meetings I have to attend. I want fewer meetings, not the million dollar, realistic car racing simulator equivalent of Teams. What I do want is a Bret Victor style 3D dynamic medium. Something genuinely new and not possible with current technology.

kmlx 4y ago

Project Starline is actually quite cool: https://blog.google/technology/research/project-starline/ https://blog.google/technology/research/project-starline/ "Google will begin testing the technology with corporations such as Salesforce and T-Mobile beginning in late 2022." haven't heard of any tests. is the project still in progress?

elicash 4y ago
LinkedIn shows people in working on it and Google hiring for it, too. But I haven't heard from anybody at Salesforce or T-Mobile.
DHPersonal 4y ago
The author of the article you linked is Clay Bavor, who left Google in February 2023 to work with the former co-CEO of Salesforce. — https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/8/23591447/google-clay-bavor-head-of-vr-ar-labs-ai-company-bret-taylor https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/8/23591447/google-clay-bavor...
fuzzythinker 4y ago
Not sure if going only after enterprise (starting with Salesforce) to beta test is the right call. I think the technology needs more good stories to gain more momentum, which a PR from Salesforce alone may not do. By going after consumers, say building out a few "booths" in selected cities and partnering with a hospital to build booths there, "live saving" stories or how love ones can connect can gain more interests to get the ball rolling.

jolmg 4y ago

How important do you feel it is for their real physical bodies to be what you see instead of a 3d avatar? And how important do you feel it is to be able to see them in your actual physical room instead of a 3d virtual space? Basically, I'm asking how far from satisfactory is VRChat. > But I'm skeptical of any approach with a headset. Is the problem that it's less comfortable than not having it on?

elicash 4y ago
As you can read here: https://storage.googleapis.com/pub-tools-public-publication-data/pdf/424ee26722e5863f1ce17890d9499ba9a964d84f.pdf https://storage.googleapis.com/pub-tools-public-publication-... (PDF) they "reconstruct geometric approximations of the user, using a combination of visible and near-infrared (NIR) global-shutter image sensors." So I'm not a purist on what's "real" as long as it appears real to me. I do want to feel like they're in the room with me and while comfort is one issue, it's not the only issue. It's more of a psychological one. But yeah, I suppose if a headset was shrunk down to the size of my regular glasses I'd be fine. I'm skeptical that's in my lifetime.
- jolmg 4y ago
  Personally, while I've tried neither, I feel like there wouldn't be much difference between that and video chat, psychologically speaking. I think that's because they'd be fixed to a particular position in the room, like a TV would. You wouldn't be able to e.g. dance around the room together or watch the same TV together or explore other areas together, like you would with VRChat in a virtual space. Seems like there's tradeoffs to be had in the psychological experience.
  - elicash 4y ago
    Most of what I'm interested in is passive. I want to read my own book and listen to music next to somebody. And I'm definitely not a dancer!

Pulcinella 4y ago

Telepresence is actually a big downside for me (telepresence for work, that is, being able to see long distance family memebers would be great). I dislike most meetings I have to attend. I want fewer meetings, not the million dollar, realistic car racing simulator equivalent of Teams. What I do want is a Bret Victor style 3D dynamic medium. Something genuinely new and not possible with current technology.