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> A few days before Google Chrome launched, Google released a blog post titled “A fresh take on the browser.” The post explained that they were releasing this n

> A few days before Google Chrome launched, Google released a blog post titled “A fresh take on the browser.” The post explained that they were releasing this new browser because they believed they could “add value for users and, at the same time, help drive innovation on the web.” What Google says, and what Google does are two very different non-intersecting things. Edit: Google's maps and docs etc. ran just fine in WebKit. What Google wanted was control. What they did with that control we all know. For example, sabotaged Firefox: https://twitter.com/johnath/status/1116871237240852480 https://twitter.com/johnath/status/1116871237240852480 > I develop for Firefox. Chrome basically always works fine with my pages. Safari chokes on all of them. Doubt. > So here's a browser that fails to just work, even when you primarily use Firefox to build the page. Funnily how I've used Safari as my primary browser since 2007, and I've been a web developer for far longer than that... and I haven't run into these issues everyone on HN pretends to have. > And you blame the developer? Yes, yes I do. Always. Even in the days of IE6 the problem was always with the developer.

recursive 4y ago
> > I develop for Firefox. Chrome basically always works fine with my pages. Safari chokes on all of them. > Doubt. For what it's worth, my development profile is similar. I would say that Safari works most of the time, but I get browser-specific failures from it at a noticeably higher rate than Chrome-derivatives. One memorable one, if you're curious, was triggered because of a minification step. Terser[0] has a special argument `--safari10` to emit code that's supported by Safari. I discovered this argument after running into the bug. [0]: https://github.com/terser/terser https://github.com/terser/terser
- illiarian 4y ago
  > Terser[0] has a special argument `--safari10` to emit code that's supported by Safari. I discovered this argument after running into the bug. So the problem is with the tool, not with the Safari it seems. Without an explanation what "non-standard" is about Safari 10/11 it's on the same level as the rest of hand wringing on HN.
  - recursive 4y ago
    > So the problem is with the tool, not with the Safari it seems. You're making an assumption. I'm not sure where you're getting that. From what I recall, it was common `const` or parameter declarations in nested scopes. Safari was (is?) unambiguously wrong. Edit: here's the bug: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171041 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171041

recursive 4y ago

> > I develop for Firefox. Chrome basically always works fine with my pages. Safari chokes on all of them. > Doubt. For what it's worth, my development profile is similar. I would say that Safari works most of the time, but I get browser-specific failures from it at a noticeably higher rate than Chrome-derivatives. One memorable one, if you're curious, was triggered because of a minification step. Terser[0] has a special argument `--safari10` to emit code that's supported by Safari. I discovered this argument after running into the bug. [0]: https://github.com/terser/terser https://github.com/terser/terser

illiarian 4y ago
> Terser[0] has a special argument `--safari10` to emit code that's supported by Safari. I discovered this argument after running into the bug. So the problem is with the tool, not with the Safari it seems. Without an explanation what "non-standard" is about Safari 10/11 it's on the same level as the rest of hand wringing on HN.
- recursive 4y ago
  > So the problem is with the tool, not with the Safari it seems. You're making an assumption. I'm not sure where you're getting that. From what I recall, it was common `const` or parameter declarations in nested scopes. Safari was (is?) unambiguously wrong. Edit: here's the bug: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171041 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171041