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There's no bright, clear separation between governments and corporations in America. Corporate execs regularly get jobs in government, and often wind up "regul

There's no bright, clear separation between governments and corporations in America. Corporate execs regularly get jobs in government, and often wind up "regulating" the very industries/companies they came from. It's also an open secret in Washington that when politicians retire they often get cushy, high paying jobs in the very companies they regulated or provided government contracts to. It's a revolving door between corporations and governments, and it's misleading to think the one is truly separate from the other. A better model is to look at the corporate-government interaction as competing elites vying with one another for money, power, and influence, and just as often collaborating with each other on shared interests.

samstave 4y ago
Dont forget the revolving door with intelligence agencies and social media... Recall the FB head of security that was walked out of the building at MPW for sexually harrasing/inappropriate actions Or the other head of security who came from NSA, then left FB to go back to NSA, to leave NSA and go back to FB? Or the time that FB built a 'government liason office' in DC? Or the time that zuck employed ex SS agents as his personal guard? Or the time CNN admitted to having CIA handlers on the editing staff (remember the quashing of the epstein story by media, because the CIA told them to) Or the time when Maxwell, who was media heiress' daughter of double mossad agent was convicted of trafficking kids to REDACTED Or the time it was reported that the FBI and twitter had an open channel on what, who, when to censor information? Or when Cisco was required by the NSA to incorporate backdoors in all routing devices for them... Or when the CIA intercepted CISCO devices en-route to [FOREIGN ADVERSARY] to install physical back-doors into said routers? (mid 1990s) Or when AT&T was required to install carnivore in SF IDF on Folsom (same building that served the nascient startup 'Twitter') Or when NSA required Intel to install certain security instruction sets for monitoring code/exploits Or when it was announced that Twitter had a 'firehose' of all tweets to the library of congress (NSA) for sentiment mining... Or the time when the most public pedo, aside from BBC's Saville, MITs big donor Epstein was called out for having Marvin FN Minsky in his clientelle - and the fact that a podcast revealed the big BDSM culture of MIT. (I cant find this video for some reason) Or the time that a c-founder of reddit was suicided for allegedly stealing reasearch papers, but really was going to reveal the ties to pedo elite via the grift at MIT... Or the time that every session on netflix/prime is a PR campaign for how bad-ass and rogue an ex CIA/NSA/COP can be when he is pursuing the current narrative and constant movies about clandestine operations is made to emotionally drive you to sympathizing with our good looking, adept, secret agents who are saving society from raving lunatics... literally 50% of movies/shows on these platforms are pushing the PR narrative of just how bad-ass a single CIA/NSA/COP agent can be.... else, watch many of the shows that are literally called lucifer... so many weird evil shows.... Or the time when CERBERUS investment group bought MAE-WEST (1st street san jose) and forced them to install carnivor to monitor internet traffic Or when they sold it after install Or when they bought PAIX (the Palo Alto Internet Exchange) which convenietly routed all network traffic through that facility AND also had international fiber terminated there AND AND also was the primary IX on the west coast (not MAE-WEST) as it had international and secret lab traffic - so they monitored all out of Stanford... There are so many data points, and if like data, then pay attention to the points that matter, such as the above. Yeah - corp-gov is so intertwined in the US its nuts. Actually insane - as its a third-rail to even discuss in media. https://www.wired.com/2006/04/whistle-blower-outs-nsa-spy-room-2/ https://www.wired.com/2006/04/whistle-blower-outs-nsa-spy-ro...
namdnay 4y ago
> and often wind up "regulating" the very industries/companies they came from the other way of seeing that is that if you want to regulate a domain you're going to want to have people who know the domain > when politicians retire they often get cushy jobs, high paying jobs in the very companies they regulated or provided government contracts to again, it makes sense for the company to buy the services (and the address book) of someone who knows everyone in the space. of course all this creates a big incentive to cosy up to those companies, but it's not as black as you are suggesting
- digging 4y ago
  > the other way of seeing that is that if you want to regulate a domain you're going to want to have people who know the domain Sure, but not people who have a vested interest in minimizing regulation.
nh23423fefe 4y ago
Hmm I don't follow. Governments and corporations are organizations of people. Just because people move between them doesn't mean they aren't different. The origin, abilities, aims, and accountability are different. > elementary and high school are the same its just different people moving between them competing for status. This doesn't seem persuasive to me. Describing what some people do while in an organization doesn't define the organization. Why not include universities in that list? Governments exists to manage violence and through law. Corporations exist because they outcompete individuals for subsistence.

samstave 4y ago

Dont forget the revolving door with intelligence agencies and social media... Recall the FB head of security that was walked out of the building at MPW for sexually harrasing/inappropriate actions Or the other head of security who came from NSA, then left FB to go back to NSA, to leave NSA and go back to FB? Or the time that FB built a 'government liason office' in DC? Or the time that zuck employed ex SS agents as his personal guard? Or the time CNN admitted to having CIA handlers on the editing staff (remember the quashing of the epstein story by media, because the CIA told them to) Or the time when Maxwell, who was media heiress' daughter of double mossad agent was convicted of trafficking kids to REDACTED Or the time it was reported that the FBI and twitter had an open channel on what, who, when to censor information? Or when Cisco was required by the NSA to incorporate backdoors in all routing devices for them... Or when the CIA intercepted CISCO devices en-route to [FOREIGN ADVERSARY] to install physical back-doors into said routers? (mid 1990s) Or when AT&T was required to install carnivore in SF IDF on Folsom (same building that served the nascient startup 'Twitter') Or when NSA required Intel to install certain security instruction sets for monitoring code/exploits Or when it was announced that Twitter had a 'firehose' of all tweets to the library of congress (NSA) for sentiment mining... Or the time when the most public pedo, aside from BBC's Saville, MITs big donor Epstein was called out for having Marvin FN Minsky in his clientelle - and the fact that a podcast revealed the big BDSM culture of MIT. (I cant find this video for some reason) Or the time that a c-founder of reddit was suicided for allegedly stealing reasearch papers, but really was going to reveal the ties to pedo elite via the grift at MIT... Or the time that every session on netflix/prime is a PR campaign for how bad-ass and rogue an ex CIA/NSA/COP can be when he is pursuing the current narrative and constant movies about clandestine operations is made to emotionally drive you to sympathizing with our good looking, adept, secret agents who are saving society from raving lunatics... literally 50% of movies/shows on these platforms are pushing the PR narrative of just how bad-ass a single CIA/NSA/COP agent can be.... else, watch many of the shows that are literally called lucifer... so many weird evil shows.... Or the time when CERBERUS investment group bought MAE-WEST (1st street san jose) and forced them to install carnivor to monitor internet traffic Or when they sold it after install Or when they bought PAIX (the Palo Alto Internet Exchange) which convenietly routed all network traffic through that facility AND also had international fiber terminated there AND AND also was the primary IX on the west coast (not MAE-WEST) as it had international and secret lab traffic - so they monitored all out of Stanford... There are so many data points, and if like data, then pay attention to the points that matter, such as the above. Yeah - corp-gov is so intertwined in the US its nuts. Actually insane - as its a third-rail to even discuss in media. https://www.wired.com/2006/04/whistle-blower-outs-nsa-spy-room-2/ https://www.wired.com/2006/04/whistle-blower-outs-nsa-spy-ro...

namdnay 4y ago

> and often wind up "regulating" the very industries/companies they came from the other way of seeing that is that if you want to regulate a domain you're going to want to have people who know the domain > when politicians retire they often get cushy jobs, high paying jobs in the very companies they regulated or provided government contracts to again, it makes sense for the company to buy the services (and the address book) of someone who knows everyone in the space. of course all this creates a big incentive to cosy up to those companies, but it's not as black as you are suggesting

digging 4y ago
> the other way of seeing that is that if you want to regulate a domain you're going to want to have people who know the domain Sure, but not people who have a vested interest in minimizing regulation.

nh23423fefe 4y ago

Hmm I don't follow. Governments and corporations are organizations of people. Just because people move between them doesn't mean they aren't different. The origin, abilities, aims, and accountability are different. > elementary and high school are the same its just different people moving between them competing for status. This doesn't seem persuasive to me. Describing what some people do while in an organization doesn't define the organization. Why not include universities in that list? Governments exists to manage violence and through law. Corporations exist because they outcompete individuals for subsistence.