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I think electric personal mobility vehicles are such a missed opportunity in terms of climate / traffic reduction. Certainly in the UK the fact that they starte

I think electric personal mobility vehicles are such a missed opportunity in terms of climate / traffic reduction. Certainly in the UK the fact that they started by being basically illegal for years and means they are, for the most part, ridden by people who don't give a shit or people who's parents don't give a shit.

resoluteteeth 4y ago
Luckily the headline is misleading and they're just not banning escooters, they're just eliminating the rental ones.
- VBprogrammer 4y ago
  In fairness, I wasn't commenting specifically on the situation in Paris. More a general comment on e-scooters and similar devices.
jprete 4y ago
I don’t think illegality filtered for people who don’t give a shit. I think it filtered for risk-takers. It’s risky to one’s safety to ride a personal powered vehicle on city streets. I think the median rider is less worried about safety compared to either the pedestrians or the cars.
- AlecSchueler 4y ago
  How are you defining the difference between non-risk-averse and not giving a shit?
rejectfinite 4y ago
This is about those rental ones. Are they replacing cars or are they replacing a walk or bike ride?
yodsanklai 4y ago
What's wrong with your regular old bicycle? what problem these e-scooters solve than the more ecological bicycles don't?
- namdnay 4y ago
  I’m not a fan of escooters, but the main advantage i see is that once folded they can easily be carried up to the office and put under a desk. And similarly they take very little space in a small flat if you don’t have a garage. Not really the case for a bike, even folding ones
- michaelt 4y ago
  Well, I agree that bicycles are one of the biggest sources of competition for e-scooters. As a regular cyclist, I haven't noticed any times where I'd need an e-scooter personally. But theoretically: 1. Something easy to fold and carry on the bus/train can make it easier to use public transport in sparsely populated areas - if you could replace a 20 minute walk to the bus stop with a 10 minute scooter ride. Folding bikes, cool though they are, tend to be on the large side, and kind of expensive. 2. For apartment-dwellers in high-crime areas, it's easier to carry a scooter inside than a bicycle. 3. E-scooters could be more accessible to old people, overweight people, and people who don't want to sweat. Of course, that's not the demographics I generally see using them so make of that what you will. And e-scooters seem to be cheaper than e-bikes. Is this a big enough market for e-scooters to thrive? I'm not sure.
- VBprogrammer 4y ago
  People who can't ride a bike or don't want to. The ability to integrate well with public transport like trains and underground. Also, without investing hours of research into the subject, I'm fairly sure we can agree that the ecological difference between a bike and a e-scooter are small enough not to mater.

resoluteteeth 4y ago

Luckily the headline is misleading and they're just not banning escooters, they're just eliminating the rental ones.

VBprogrammer 4y ago
In fairness, I wasn't commenting specifically on the situation in Paris. More a general comment on e-scooters and similar devices.

jprete 4y ago

I don’t think illegality filtered for people who don’t give a shit. I think it filtered for risk-takers. It’s risky to one’s safety to ride a personal powered vehicle on city streets. I think the median rider is less worried about safety compared to either the pedestrians or the cars.

AlecSchueler 4y ago
How are you defining the difference between non-risk-averse and not giving a shit?

rejectfinite 4y ago

This is about those rental ones. Are they replacing cars or are they replacing a walk or bike ride?

yodsanklai 4y ago

What's wrong with your regular old bicycle? what problem these e-scooters solve than the more ecological bicycles don't?

namdnay 4y ago
I’m not a fan of escooters, but the main advantage i see is that once folded they can easily be carried up to the office and put under a desk. And similarly they take very little space in a small flat if you don’t have a garage. Not really the case for a bike, even folding ones
michaelt 4y ago
Well, I agree that bicycles are one of the biggest sources of competition for e-scooters. As a regular cyclist, I haven't noticed any times where I'd need an e-scooter personally. But theoretically: 1. Something easy to fold and carry on the bus/train can make it easier to use public transport in sparsely populated areas - if you could replace a 20 minute walk to the bus stop with a 10 minute scooter ride. Folding bikes, cool though they are, tend to be on the large side, and kind of expensive. 2. For apartment-dwellers in high-crime areas, it's easier to carry a scooter inside than a bicycle. 3. E-scooters could be more accessible to old people, overweight people, and people who don't want to sweat. Of course, that's not the demographics I generally see using them so make of that what you will. And e-scooters seem to be cheaper than e-bikes. Is this a big enough market for e-scooters to thrive? I'm not sure.
VBprogrammer 4y ago
People who can't ride a bike or don't want to. The ability to integrate well with public transport like trains and underground. Also, without investing hours of research into the subject, I'm fairly sure we can agree that the ecological difference between a bike and a e-scooter are small enough not to mater.