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> Can they even license those works to train a model? Adobe is already creating such AI with these kinds of partners, so yes > And if they can, then everyone

> Can they even license those works to train a model? Adobe is already creating such AI with these kinds of partners, so yes > And if they can, then everyone can. I can buy the rights to a single photograph of Darth Vader and create an entire series TV about his life using AI. No because a single image of Darth Vader alone won't work. You need a pretrained base model, trained with millions of images. Only then you can feed such base model a single image and get something decent.

seydor 4y ago
> Adobe is already creating such AI with these kinds of partners, so yes So, nobody has contested them yet. I smell a class-action lawsuit for them from the original makers of their clipart library. The base model can be trained on open source images. Or people may use adobe's software for that. From just a few images of Darth you can make basically anything, so yes it's quite doable already. It seems to me there is no way to put this cat back in the bag ever again. In the case of Darth Vader, there is probably a trademark involved as well, but the vast majority of photos , celebs etc don't have that.
- shagie 4y ago
  Darth Vader falls under copyright for fictional characters ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_protection_for_fictional_characters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_protection_for_ficti... - I learned about this as part of the Eleanor set of lawsuits which entangled a YouTube car vlogger B is for Build - the most recent bit on the lawsuits - (not B is for Build lawsuit in particular as that was settled) https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42233053/shelby-estate-wins-eleanor-ford-mustang-copyright-lawsuit/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42233053/shelby-estate-wi... ). Anyways, use of Darth Vader in any work would be a derivative work.
  - seydor 4y ago
    :s/Darth Vader/Di Caprio
- jstarfish 4y ago
  > It seems to me there is no way to put this cat back in the bag ever again Patents. Copyrights. Franchising? Artists are now experiencing the joy of getting beaten in the market by someone else selling the product they created. It was not allowed to stand in other industries. Copyright is a necessary evil. Disney may well be the savior of artists in the age of AI. There is no incentive to produce anything original if someone else can just gank it and drown you in volume.

seydor 4y ago

> Adobe is already creating such AI with these kinds of partners, so yes So, nobody has contested them yet. I smell a class-action lawsuit for them from the original makers of their clipart library. The base model can be trained on open source images. Or people may use adobe's software for that. From just a few images of Darth you can make basically anything, so yes it's quite doable already. It seems to me there is no way to put this cat back in the bag ever again. In the case of Darth Vader, there is probably a trademark involved as well, but the vast majority of photos , celebs etc don't have that.

shagie 4y ago
Darth Vader falls under copyright for fictional characters ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_protection_for_fictional_characters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_protection_for_ficti... - I learned about this as part of the Eleanor set of lawsuits which entangled a YouTube car vlogger B is for Build - the most recent bit on the lawsuits - (not B is for Build lawsuit in particular as that was settled) https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42233053/shelby-estate-wins-eleanor-ford-mustang-copyright-lawsuit/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42233053/shelby-estate-wi... ). Anyways, use of Darth Vader in any work would be a derivative work.
- seydor 4y ago
  :s/Darth Vader/Di Caprio
jstarfish 4y ago
> It seems to me there is no way to put this cat back in the bag ever again Patents. Copyrights. Franchising? Artists are now experiencing the joy of getting beaten in the market by someone else selling the product they created. It was not allowed to stand in other industries. Copyright is a necessary evil. Disney may well be the savior of artists in the age of AI. There is no incentive to produce anything original if someone else can just gank it and drown you in volume.