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> Putin intended to capture Kyiv in three days and completely failed to do that. What exactly is that assertion even based on? People talk like it is some kin

> Putin intended to capture Kyiv in three days and completely failed to do that. What exactly is that assertion even based on? People talk like it is some kind of a definite fact, but there is no reference to any particular source or a universal explanation of how this was deduced.

mcv 4y ago
We were alive and following the news when it happened. I'm not exactly sure what makes you doubt this. It's pretty well-reported. They fought on the outskirts of Kyiv, lost a bunch of troops and material, and eventually withdrew when they couldn't make any further progress.
- medo-bear 4y ago
  > I'm not exactly sure what makes you doubt this well for starters the fact that there is no record of him saying that
  - mcv 4y ago
    There's plenty of record of him doing it, though.
    - medo-bear 4y ago
      so at best you are just inferring
      - mcv 4y ago
        I'm looking at his actions, rather than believing the words of a liar. Just before the war, he said he was not going to invade. Then he did it anyway. His words are meaningless. His actions are what counts. And he obviously did try to take Kyiv. There were paradrops intended to take Kyiv in hours, even. There was a push by more forces to take Kyiv in days. It all failed because they encountered far more serious resistance than they expected, and it turned out they lacked the supplies for a longer operation, and couldn't get those supplies organised in the face Ukrainian defense specifically targeting Russian supply lines. Eventually they couldn't make any progress and withdrew. Though not before murdering lots of civilians in Boucha.
        medo-bear 4y ago
        in 2014 in odesa ukranian nationalists burned protesting students alive. please dont pretend this war is a holywood good vs evil film
        defrost 4y ago
        This would be the building fire: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/02/ukraine-dead-odessa-building-fire https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/02/ukraine-dead-o... that started after both sides hurled molotov cocktails at each other? The world is complicated, yes, but your comment reducing this to "one side burned the other side alive" is disingenuous at best.
        medo-bear 4y ago
        the people trapped in the building were either prevented from leaving or beaten up as they tried to leave, while ukranian nationalists chanted "burn! burn!" on the street

mcv 4y ago

We were alive and following the news when it happened. I'm not exactly sure what makes you doubt this. It's pretty well-reported. They fought on the outskirts of Kyiv, lost a bunch of troops and material, and eventually withdrew when they couldn't make any further progress.

medo-bear 4y ago
> I'm not exactly sure what makes you doubt this well for starters the fact that there is no record of him saying that
- mcv 4y ago
  There's plenty of record of him doing it, though.
  - medo-bear 4y ago
    so at best you are just inferring
    - mcv 4y ago
      I'm looking at his actions, rather than believing the words of a liar. Just before the war, he said he was not going to invade. Then he did it anyway. His words are meaningless. His actions are what counts. And he obviously did try to take Kyiv. There were paradrops intended to take Kyiv in hours, even. There was a push by more forces to take Kyiv in days. It all failed because they encountered far more serious resistance than they expected, and it turned out they lacked the supplies for a longer operation, and couldn't get those supplies organised in the face Ukrainian defense specifically targeting Russian supply lines. Eventually they couldn't make any progress and withdrew. Though not before murdering lots of civilians in Boucha.
      - medo-bear 4y ago
        in 2014 in odesa ukranian nationalists burned protesting students alive. please dont pretend this war is a holywood good vs evil film
        defrost 4y ago
        This would be the building fire: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/02/ukraine-dead-odessa-building-fire https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/02/ukraine-dead-o... that started after both sides hurled molotov cocktails at each other? The world is complicated, yes, but your comment reducing this to "one side burned the other side alive" is disingenuous at best.
        medo-bear 4y ago
        the people trapped in the building were either prevented from leaving or beaten up as they tried to leave, while ukranian nationalists chanted "burn! burn!" on the street