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As a Ukrainian immigrant, how do you feel about the claims that ehtno-Russians in eastern Ukraine were being harassed and killed and having their culture made i

As a Ukrainian immigrant, how do you feel about the claims that ehtno-Russians in eastern Ukraine were being harassed and killed and having their culture made illegal by the Ukrainian government or its actors? There's so much propaganda on both sides. How do you feel about western involvement in 2014?

slaw 4y ago
It is whataboutism. There are no saints in this world.
- boomskats 4y ago
  It's as much a case of whataboutism as your statement is of ignoratio elenchi. That's not to say that I don't agree with your second statement. However, global geopolitics is far more complicated than how it tends to be presented to the general population, especially at times of war, and I don't think the OP asked the question in a malicious or dismissive way. We shouldn't be so quick to dismiss arguments as fallacies just because they don't line up with our point of view.
  - tejohnso 4y ago
    > I don't think the OP asked the question in a malicious or dismissive way You're right I didn't ask in a malicious or dismissive way. And I don't see why my question was flagged. I'm not making an argument, I'm just asking a question of someone who has more involvement than I have and may have something interesting to say on the matter. I guess I can't even ask a question if it mentions detail that goes against the accepted western narrative. Not here anyway.
    - slaw 4y ago
      I agree with what you wrote, I only tried to point that your comment, even if valid is not related to Finland joining NATO.
      - tejohnso 4y ago
        > your comment...is not related to Finland joining NATO. Neither was the post I was responding to. It was about the situation in Ukraine, Zelenskyy, Putin, Russia, Crimea, and their historical context. Someone submitted their opinion on all of that, and I asked them about their opinion on some further detail related to all of that.
        slaw 4y ago
        That's true. Asking questions against mainstream thinking are not welcomed here.

slaw 4y ago

It is whataboutism. There are no saints in this world.

boomskats 4y ago
It's as much a case of whataboutism as your statement is of ignoratio elenchi. That's not to say that I don't agree with your second statement. However, global geopolitics is far more complicated than how it tends to be presented to the general population, especially at times of war, and I don't think the OP asked the question in a malicious or dismissive way. We shouldn't be so quick to dismiss arguments as fallacies just because they don't line up with our point of view.
- tejohnso 4y ago
  > I don't think the OP asked the question in a malicious or dismissive way You're right I didn't ask in a malicious or dismissive way. And I don't see why my question was flagged. I'm not making an argument, I'm just asking a question of someone who has more involvement than I have and may have something interesting to say on the matter. I guess I can't even ask a question if it mentions detail that goes against the accepted western narrative. Not here anyway.
  - slaw 4y ago
    I agree with what you wrote, I only tried to point that your comment, even if valid is not related to Finland joining NATO.
    - tejohnso 4y ago
      > your comment...is not related to Finland joining NATO. Neither was the post I was responding to. It was about the situation in Ukraine, Zelenskyy, Putin, Russia, Crimea, and their historical context. Someone submitted their opinion on all of that, and I asked them about their opinion on some further detail related to all of that.
      - slaw 4y ago
        That's true. Asking questions against mainstream thinking are not welcomed here.