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It is a bit like saying a random number generator is a form of image compression since it is a small program the output of which contains every copyrightable im

It is a bit like saying a random number generator is a form of image compression since it is a small program the output of which contains every copyrightable image. Compression has the property that almost all inputs are reconstructable. Generative models have the property that almost all inputs are not reconstructable.

pwinnski 4y ago
Compression with extra steps is still compression. Most people don't understand the math involved in LZF-encoding, and lossy audio encoding seems even more strange, so "diffusion" just sounds like a somewhat-lossier form of compression if described in a certain way. I was very dismissive of the anti-AI-image crowd until I saw that Anne Graham Lotz pic. Only a single known source image of her exists, although many copies of it are distributed far and wide across the internet, and using her name in a prompt results in an image that seems very much like a lossy reproduction of the "original." It's an edge case, to be sure, but that demonstration looks like lossy compression, even though it's not.
- Turing_Machine 4y ago
  > I was very dismissive of the anti-AI-image crowd until I saw that Anne Graham Lotz pic. Only a single known source image of her exists, although many copies of it are distributed far and wide across the internet https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Anne+Graham+Lotz&t=brave&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Anne+Graham+Lotz&t=brave&iax=image... I see dozens of images of this woman (who is apparently some kind of minister). Okay, I'm clearly missing something here. Can you explain further?
  - Turing_Machine 4y ago
    Also, besides the 20 or so copies of this specific pose I see on the first page, I also see numerous others of her either in a different pose or in a different (but similar) outfit -- she's apparently fond of that color combination. I just put my local copy of Stable Diffusion to work cranking out images based on an "Anne Graham Lotz" prompt. So far, none of them look anything like the original image. It has generated one of her wearing a similar-colored shirt, but the pose is completely different, and as noted above, she seems to like that color.
  - pwinnski 4y ago
    My mistake! I mis-remembered the original Google paper[0], which stated only that the image was in the Stable Diffusion training set. The complete set of "matches" they got were interesting, even while the number was very low. 0. https://arxiv.org/abs/2301.13188 https://arxiv.org/abs/2301.13188

pwinnski 4y ago

Compression with extra steps is still compression. Most people don't understand the math involved in LZF-encoding, and lossy audio encoding seems even more strange, so "diffusion" just sounds like a somewhat-lossier form of compression if described in a certain way. I was very dismissive of the anti-AI-image crowd until I saw that Anne Graham Lotz pic. Only a single known source image of her exists, although many copies of it are distributed far and wide across the internet, and using her name in a prompt results in an image that seems very much like a lossy reproduction of the "original." It's an edge case, to be sure, but that demonstration looks like lossy compression, even though it's not.

Turing_Machine 4y ago
> I was very dismissive of the anti-AI-image crowd until I saw that Anne Graham Lotz pic. Only a single known source image of her exists, although many copies of it are distributed far and wide across the internet https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Anne+Graham+Lotz&t=brave&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Anne+Graham+Lotz&t=brave&iax=image... I see dozens of images of this woman (who is apparently some kind of minister). Okay, I'm clearly missing something here. Can you explain further?
- Turing_Machine 4y ago
  Also, besides the 20 or so copies of this specific pose I see on the first page, I also see numerous others of her either in a different pose or in a different (but similar) outfit -- she's apparently fond of that color combination. I just put my local copy of Stable Diffusion to work cranking out images based on an "Anne Graham Lotz" prompt. So far, none of them look anything like the original image. It has generated one of her wearing a similar-colored shirt, but the pose is completely different, and as noted above, she seems to like that color.
- pwinnski 4y ago
  My mistake! I mis-remembered the original Google paper[0], which stated only that the image was in the Stable Diffusion training set. The complete set of "matches" they got were interesting, even while the number was very low. 0. https://arxiv.org/abs/2301.13188 https://arxiv.org/abs/2301.13188