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IBM takes on Google and Microsoft with a cloud based service called IBM Docs
- bwarp 15y agoI think the word "Lotus" on this is going to kill it dead before it even gets of the ground. There is almost universal hatred for that brand (other than from a few people who paid for it and don't have to use products from that division of IBM). It's literally like branding your new product with swastikas.
- obtino 15y agoI concur. Having been forced to use the Lotus email client during my life at IBM, the name 'Lotus' does not conjure up pleasant memories.
- bwarp 15y agoSmall and disturbing flashback... I worked at an organisation which implemented Lotus Notes across everything. All I remember is EXCRUCIATING PAIN and armies of suited, gold decorated consultants who could barely get their own bodies into their expensive sports cars.
- arethuza 15y agoFor some reason I always used to find the login process to Notes really disturbing - the way you typed your password and for each key you pressed multiple hieroglyphics would appear. Of course, then there were all of the input controls - which seem to have been designed to behave like no other input controls before or since....
- slig 15y agoI wonder the type of super-manager that came up with that hieroglyphic idea. And the programmer that implemented it sighing.
- arethuza 15y agoNotes has an entire entry in the Interface Hall of Shame: http://homepage.mac.com/bradster/iarchitect/lotus.htm http://homepage.mac.com/bradster/iarchitect/lotus.htm They have an animation of how the login worked. It's even worse than I remembered!
- omh 15y agoThis feature is still present in the latest version. When I enter my password I get a window like the one here: http://depressedpress.com/2011/03/07/lotus-notes-tribunal-exhibit-001-b-login-screen-animation/ http://depressedpress.com/2011/03/07/lotus-notes-tribunal-ex... Really though, this is quite low down on any list of Notes UI issues. There's a whole can of worms there that's best left unopened.
- r00fus 15y agoIt's actually a pretty good implementation of preventing login dialog imposters. However, with the popularization of keyloggers (and signed binaries), that should have been sidelined as no longer needed. I'm guessing it was somehow related to some big business/government clients that require such a feature despite it's efficacy.
- bwarp 15y agoI'd actually completely forgotten about those hieroglyphic things! That and the three stars appearing when you hit a key. That was greeted with a massive WTF.
- robmcm 15y agoYup, that's a black mark for sure. IBM's stock would rocket if they re-branded or killed of Lotus, it's over taken Real Player for my most despised brand of software.
- hello_moto 15y agoRealPlayer has its use: to download Flash video quickly via browser plugin :D
- omh 15y agoIBM is in the process of removing the Lotus brand from everything. This 'Greenhouse' is a test bed for the "Lotus" community and hasn't gone through the rebranding yet. I'm sure that when they release this properly it won't have the dreaded L-word anywhere near it. This has been a long-running saga within the IBM/Lotus community for years now. It's obviously a toxic brand, but it's taken them a while to start clearing it out. I think they're still working out how to brand the next version of Lotus Notes. (Yes, Lotus Notes is still widely used. Reluctant Notes/Domino admin here).
- bwarp 15y agoThat's only because people are widely "stuck with it". I've not seen a single organisation in the last 10 years that has done a new deployment. It's always been hanging on by a thread, usually along with some Netware and occasionally DEC estate and some serious 10base2 mileage. "We'll fix it one day" etc.
- omh 15y agoI looked at migrating when we did our last e-mail server upgrade, but the cost of moving to Exchange vs upgrading Notes just wasn't worth it. The latest version isn't so bad for general groupware type stuff. For a new deployment I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole though.
- hello_moto 15y agoThis is what I heard as well from consultants: moving from Notes to Exchange don't yield more benefit or safe money.
- bwarp 15y agoI bet that was heard from Notes consultants...
- hello_moto 15y ago
- mgkimsal 15y agorandom memory - one of my earlier jobs in my career was working with lotus notes to develop custom mods of some notes-based package we were reselling. On Windows 95. With 16megs of memory. I think I finagled a 32meg system eventually for some testing/dev, but everything then had to be vetted on the 16meg systems we were shipping out. What an insanely slow nightmare to work with that was. From all accounts, Notes had/has some interesting ideas re: doc management, but I could never see past the slowness to appreciate what, if anything, Notes was ever really good at.
- ansgri 15y agoExcept in the latter case they would have their small niche of very loyal customers.
- jkeel 15y agoWhen I see the hatred people have for anything "Lotus" I'm both surprised and not surprised. Surprised because I didn't know so many people used a "Lotus" product like Notes. Then not surprised since I've used them and constantly curse at them. Even with this post I read the title and had a bit of hope for IBM, then saw the link to lotus.com and stopped to debate if I should even click on it.
- moonchrome 15y ago>It's literally like branding your new product with swastikas. Targeting a niche market ?
- slig 15y agoI clicked around and got to a sign in page called "Welcome to IBM Connections". Couldn't find where to sign up or even if I can. Closed.
- sidchilling 15y agoHa ha ... Me too.
- peq 15y agoI found a page where I could create an account but that account does not work on the login for the docs-page. If they can't even do a user friendly login, how can they make a good document editor?
- slig 15y agoThey can sell anything, even stuff that is not friendly nor good. See the hatred for Lotus Notes.
- xn 15y agoIt's easy. You simply call IBM to get a quote (http://bit.ly/Ac0zjF http://bit.ly/Ac0zjF), put together a budget proposal, wait for the next fiscal year for budget approval, draw up a purchase order, schedule your training, and you'll be up and running in 12-18 months tops.
- badclient 15y agoHow did people collaborate on documents before google docs?
- a_a_r_o_n 15y agoBy sending Word/Excel/etc documents around in email, turning on revisions, and having endless discussions on which version is current. We still do that now.
- ilcavero 15y agoIBM is in no position to compete with Google or even Microsoft on this marker, it targets the slow and big companies that want "their own facebook" or their own "google docs" on their intranet, so don't expect this to be a consumer level offering even if it is on the "cloud".
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- veidr 15y agoI think you're right, but at the same time, Google or even Microsoft are in no position to do the reverse -- compete with IBM in the corporate world where big customers run their own clouds and define a lot of the rules and bureaucratic processes. Google's paid cloud app stuff didn't even have urgent telephone support until recently, and there's still not (and not going to be, I think) any way to get your google rep to explain stuff to you over the course of a few months (and fancy dinners out), before finally tailoring you a customized (and pricy) contract. Microsoft, I think, knows how to do those things much better than Google, but are instead hampered by the relatively pukey quality of their cloudy offerings so far -- they're playing catch up, years behind Google, and internally conflicted by the still-huge revenues of their legacy cash cows. I'm not saying IBM can win in this market, just saying that Google Docs, Dropbox, Evernote, and all these cloudtastic superheroes of the consumer market have yet to achieve significance in the weird altiverse of Big Corporate.
- brudgers 15y agoI completely disagree about competing with Google and Microsoft. Google's weakness in the enterprise productivity software market segment is that they have no track record of providing stability via long term backward compatibility and support for obsolescent software - e.g. the Chrome Browser. Furthermore, the enterprise market is not a significant piece of the core strategy - it just doesn't grow fast enough and it requires the dedication of a highly trained salesforce and a commitment to long term support of each software release. IBM can compete with Microsoft on the same basis as they have for the past twenty years - as an ecosystem.
- Nelson69 15y ago
- burriko 15y agoWelcome to the cloud. Where you still have to manually save your documents by clicking on a floppy disk icon. Somehow I don't think Google need to worry.
- eblackburn 15y agoI love how all IBM software looks like a 2001 university project hacked together the night before a deadline in Java.
- virmundi 15y agoLooking at the screen shot it looks a lot like EverNote. I think the screen is designed to be clean,if not a tad boring. But there is nothing wrong with that.
- zerop 15y agoSell this to enterprises who love your sloppy stuff like WAS..
- zerop 15y agoI see "Duplicate headers received from server", When I click on icon. only on chrome... Please fix it or put "alpha release "on top....
- shrikant 15y agoIs IBM really serious about the office productivity space? There doesn't seem to be any buzz around their desktop offering, Lotus Symphony. [1] When I last tried it, Symphony was slow and clunky to use, and miles behind LibreOffice (!) in usability. Or is there some uber-visionary long-term play going on here? I certainly don't see it. [1] http://www-03.ibm.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.nsf/home http://www-03.ibm.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.nsf/home
- omh 15y agoThis is part of a wider collaboration strategy from IBM. As well as Notes, they have a "Connections" platform which is a combination of document sharing, facebook-style profiles and a few other things for internal corporate intranets. From the demos I've seen it's relatively nice, as enterprise software goes. From last month's "Lotusphere" conference it sounds like they're adding document editing to this, and aiming to move everything (including email) to an integrate web-based system. I think they're selling it as either onsite or hosted. Edit: Sorry for how corporate that sounds. I guess that's just how my mind goes when I start thinking about IBM software!
- jdp23 15y agoThe same thing happened to me last month. I was writing up something right after reading a few IBM Tivoli and Websphere white papers and suddenly noticed I was talking corpspeak without even realizing it.
- kiloaper 15y agoSymphony was based on an old OpenOffice code base and is now dead. IBM is joining the Apache OpenOffice project and will be releasing their own IBM branded OpenOffice in the future. http://www.edbrill.com/ebrill/edbrill.nsf/dx/ibm-lotus-symphony-3.0.1-is-now-available http://www.edbrill.com/ebrill/edbrill.nsf/dx/ibm-lotus-symph...
- shrikant 15y agoThis is good to know, thanks! The open productivity suite space needed some meaty corporate backing after Oracle's abandonment of OpenOffice.org, and it would've been disappointing to see a biggie like IBM further fragment the OpenOffice/LibreOffice scene. Instead they're picking a side to back with their considerable resources. This can only be a good thing (unless of course they go down the "embrace, extend, extinguish" path..)
- perfunctory 15y agoDid anybody try it already?
- namidark 15y agoWhenever I try and view a document in Chrome (OSX) I get a net::ERR_RESPONSE_HEADERS_MULTIPLE_CONTENT_DISPOSITION :(
- clowder 15y agoAlthough there is a picture of someone editing a file the functionality seems to be missing from the site and its not shown off in their demo video. http://public.dhe.ibm.com/software/dw/lotus/connections30/demos/files/files_demo.html http://public.dhe.ibm.com/software/dw/lotus/connections30/de...
- libria 15y agohttps://greenhouse.lotus.com/ghouse.nav/header.js https://greenhouse.lotus.com/ghouse.nav/header.js Their javascript writes javascript which writes HTML/XML? For their sanity, I hope that's generated somehow.
- Jayasimhan 15y agoWon't accept gmail and yahoo emails and has a mandatory company name field. It not just 'not targeted towards consumer market', its a 'we don't want the consumer market'.
- podman 15y agoBased on the screenshots, it looks like it's flash/flex based. I can't actually get it to works so I can't verify that. Are they serious? I guess they don't plan on having any good mobile support.