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Supporting iOS and macOS in webdev is an absolute nightmare and a big reason why I left that space and am not planning to go back until something fundamentally

by meibo 4y ago

Supporting iOS and macOS in webdev is an absolute nightmare and a big reason why I left that space and am not planning to go back until something fundamentally changes. It's clear that they're still trying to undermine the web where possible, without it seeming too obvious or getting them into hot water re: the recent monopolization debate.

pier25 4y ago
I 100% agree with the sentiment and I have suffered a lot because of that. But I will say things seem to be slowly progressing. Webkit is releasing more often and closer to the standards now than they used to. I'm guessing Apple knows they will be forced to allow other engines on iOS and are finally making Safari a good product.
bzzzt 4y ago
While I get where the 'undermine' narrative is coming from, there are other, IMO more plausible, reasons why support is difficult: - Apple doesn't want others to dictate their development schedule. - Some Web standards clash with Apple's privacy promises. While I'd like Apple to do a bit more about those long standing bugs, I think the narrative they are actively undermining the web is short sighted. I prefer Apple's behaviour instead of Google's behaviour to actively monopolise the web...
- wswope 4y ago
  Yes, thank you for speaking up to defend Apple’s prerogatives here. No one should have to suffer through the (checks notes) privacy violations and grueling six-year implementation timeline of adding a date picker input to their browser. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/input/date#browser_compatibility https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/in...
  - illiarian 4y ago
    I wish HN had more complaints like this, and not the usual "whatever is the latest Chrome API of the day we need it in all browsers now!" --- As a tangent. If it was Apple of, say, 5-10 years ago, I'd also root for them to get their head out of their ass and lead in https://open-ui.org/ https://open-ui.org/ (started, of all people, by devs from Microsoft). Alas, with the way they approach interfaces these days, I'd want them far away from leading :)
    - wdb 4y ago
      Pretty confusing name when OpenUI5 already exists

by meibo 4y ago

pier25 4y ago

I 100% agree with the sentiment and I have suffered a lot because of that. But I will say things seem to be slowly progressing. Webkit is releasing more often and closer to the standards now than they used to. I'm guessing Apple knows they will be forced to allow other engines on iOS and are finally making Safari a good product.

bzzzt 4y ago

While I get where the 'undermine' narrative is coming from, there are other, IMO more plausible, reasons why support is difficult: - Apple doesn't want others to dictate their development schedule. - Some Web standards clash with Apple's privacy promises. While I'd like Apple to do a bit more about those long standing bugs, I think the narrative they are actively undermining the web is short sighted. I prefer Apple's behaviour instead of Google's behaviour to actively monopolise the web...

wswope 4y ago
Yes, thank you for speaking up to defend Apple’s prerogatives here. No one should have to suffer through the (checks notes) privacy violations and grueling six-year implementation timeline of adding a date picker input to their browser. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/input/date#browser_compatibility https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/in...
- illiarian 4y ago
  I wish HN had more complaints like this, and not the usual "whatever is the latest Chrome API of the day we need it in all browsers now!" --- As a tangent. If it was Apple of, say, 5-10 years ago, I'd also root for them to get their head out of their ass and lead in https://open-ui.org/ https://open-ui.org/ (started, of all people, by devs from Microsoft). Alas, with the way they approach interfaces these days, I'd want them far away from leading :)
  - wdb 4y ago
    Pretty confusing name when OpenUI5 already exists