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Love what Framework is doing but agree with the article conclusion. For now, the best laptop to me would be a MacBook Air running Linux. Perfect hardware, unmat

by hbbio 4y ago

Love what Framework is doing but agree with the article conclusion. For now, the best laptop to me would be a MacBook Air running Linux. Perfect hardware, unmatched processor, very high build quality. Asahi progress is so impressive, that it will probably be daily driver ready by next year!

smoldesu 4y ago
Asahi is cool, but you're comparing apples to oranges. Framework will have passable support for Linux on day-one - Asahi is going on three years and doesn't have a webcam working. It's great that they've come so far, but it's still a far-cry from the support that first-party vendors can provide.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  Ironically, the webcam always seems to be the last thing to be supported on MacBooks. Currently I’m looking forward to being able to do gaming through wine on my MacBook with Asahi.
dpatterbee 4y ago
I think if you're just looking to buy the best laptop on paper, the Framework laptops aren't even going to be in the conversation. It's just inevitable that in order to fulfill their sustainability and repairability goals they simply had to compromise certain aspects of the design. That being said, I've had my Framework 13 for just over a year now and it's a fantastic computer, none of the compromises affect me much, although I could believe that they could affect other peoples' workflows. For reference I'd previously used a 16-inch 2018 MacBook Pro for work and it was an absolute piece of shit compared to the Framework (I now have the 2022 M1 Max 16 inch MacBook Pro for work and it's in a league of its own tbh).
diffeomorphism 4y ago
"Perfect" seems a bit overhyped, e.g. no oled, notch, keyboard, weight and size (e.g. compare to an x1 nano or xps 13 plus), limited ram, storage. It no doubt is a nice machine, but all 2000+€ machines are nice (m2 air with ram and storage)
CoolGuySteve 4y ago
I guess we'll see how the Ryzen 7000 Framework laptop plays out in terms of power consumption but I have no complaints with my 6850u-based Thinkpad, the battery lasts for 11-14 hours and the parallel compile performance is top tier. But the main advantage Framework offers to me as a remote worker is the ability to replace components without having my work machine be out of service while waiting for shipping+servicing. I only wish Framework would do a better job at keeping their bespoke components in stock and available for overnight/same day shipping, maybe charge a premium or something.

by hbbio 4y ago

smoldesu 4y ago

Asahi is cool, but you're comparing apples to oranges. Framework will have passable support for Linux on day-one - Asahi is going on three years and doesn't have a webcam working. It's great that they've come so far, but it's still a far-cry from the support that first-party vendors can provide.

Gigachad 4y ago
Ironically, the webcam always seems to be the last thing to be supported on MacBooks. Currently I’m looking forward to being able to do gaming through wine on my MacBook with Asahi.

dpatterbee 4y ago

I think if you're just looking to buy the best laptop on paper, the Framework laptops aren't even going to be in the conversation. It's just inevitable that in order to fulfill their sustainability and repairability goals they simply had to compromise certain aspects of the design. That being said, I've had my Framework 13 for just over a year now and it's a fantastic computer, none of the compromises affect me much, although I could believe that they could affect other peoples' workflows. For reference I'd previously used a 16-inch 2018 MacBook Pro for work and it was an absolute piece of shit compared to the Framework (I now have the 2022 M1 Max 16 inch MacBook Pro for work and it's in a league of its own tbh).

diffeomorphism 4y ago

"Perfect" seems a bit overhyped, e.g. no oled, notch, keyboard, weight and size (e.g. compare to an x1 nano or xps 13 plus), limited ram, storage. It no doubt is a nice machine, but all 2000+€ machines are nice (m2 air with ram and storage)

CoolGuySteve 4y ago

I guess we'll see how the Ryzen 7000 Framework laptop plays out in terms of power consumption but I have no complaints with my 6850u-based Thinkpad, the battery lasts for 11-14 hours and the parallel compile performance is top tier. But the main advantage Framework offers to me as a remote worker is the ability to replace components without having my work machine be out of service while waiting for shipping+servicing. I only wish Framework would do a better job at keeping their bespoke components in stock and available for overnight/same day shipping, maybe charge a premium or something.