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In some ways, Ukraine has already won; Putin intended to capture Kyiv in three days and completely failed to do that. He turned to some minor territory gain, bu
by mcv 4y ago
In some ways, Ukraine has already won; Putin intended to capture Kyiv in three days and completely failed to do that. He turned to some minor territory gain, but that's also going very poorly. Russia's winter campaign is almost a complete failure, with tens of thousands of lives lost for very minor gains.
Ukraine is smaller than Russia, but by no means a small country. Ukraine has 40 million people and is far more motivated to fight than Russia is. Russians really have nothing to win here; it's just about Putin's pride. Meanwhile Ukrainians are fighting for their lives, their country, and the future of their children. These are powerful motivators, and go a long way towards explaining Ukraine's unwavering morale in the face of overwhelming odds.
Ukraine also fights much smarter. Russia uses very primitive tactics: use massive artillery to flatten entire cities, move infantry in, and if they get killed, flatten the place with artillery again. And then they ran low on artillery ammunition, not to mention that many of their barrels have been so overused they can't shoot straight anymore, so now they've resorted to human wave attacks. Ukrainian defenders of Bakhmut have described wave after wave of Russian attackers crawling over the dead bodies of their dead comrades only to get gunned down too. There's no sophistication at all, and coordination is often poor.
Meanwhile Ukraine with its more limited resources executes very smart attacks. Most of the time they target Russian supply lines to make it harder for Russia to fight. But sometimes they've undermined Russian positions so much that they can suddenly grab an enormous swath of territory, like they did east of Kharkiv and west of Kherson.
I frankly don't see how Ukraine can lose this. In some ways they have already won. Although of course it really depends on how you define victory and loss here; both sides have lost a lot, and any end result where Putin is in a position where he can try again later, means that the war for Ukraine is not really over.
- foverzar 4y ago> Putin intended to capture Kyiv in three days and completely failed to do that. What exactly is that assertion even based on? People talk like it is some kind of a definite fact, but there is no reference to any particular source or a universal explanation of how this was deduced.
- mcv 4y agoWe were alive and following the news when it happened. I'm not exactly sure what makes you doubt this. It's pretty well-reported. They fought on the outskirts of Kyiv, lost a bunch of troops and material, and eventually withdrew when they couldn't make any further progress.
- medo-bear 4y ago> I'm not exactly sure what makes you doubt this well for starters the fact that there is no record of him saying that
- mcv 4y agoThere's plenty of record of him doing it, though.
- medo-bear 4y agoso at best you are just inferring
- mcv 4y agoI'm looking at his actions, rather than believing the words of a liar. Just before the war, he said he was not going to invade. Then he did it anyway. His words are meaningless. His actions are what counts. And he obviously did try to take Kyiv. There were paradrops intended to take Kyiv in hours, even. There was a push by more forces to take Kyiv in days. It all failed because they encountered far more serious resistance than they expected, and it turned out they lacked the supplies for a longer operation, and couldn't get those supplies organised in the face Ukrainian defense specifically targeting Russian supply lines. Eventually they couldn't make any progress and withdrew. Though not before murdering lots of civilians in Boucha.
- medo-bear 4y agoin 2014 in odesa ukranian nationalists burned protesting students alive. please dont pretend this war is a holywood good vs evil film