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Malmö municipality view the problem of e-scooters that have been dumped in the canal (or in the coast) as a problem that the owner of the e-scooter is responsib

by belorn 4y ago

Malmö municipality view the problem of e-scooters that have been dumped in the canal (or in the coast) as a problem that the owner of the e-scooter is responsible for. They do not want to pay for cleanup. The e-scooter companies on the other hand view it as way to expensive if they had to pay for the cleanup, and that they could not operate profitable in malmö if they were forced to pay for it. The end result is that e-scooters are now accumulating in the water with a growing concern among researchers about what will happen once those batteries start to break down.

dijit 4y ago
Sure, but I think people throwing loose things into the canal is perhaps unrelated to the points raised in TFA, by the parent or even by me. If you want to talk about this topic in particular: a similar situation happened where people kept throwing outdoor chairs into the canal from Biraria (a restaurant located near the canal in Malmo)[0], the municipality made them pay for it and it sent them out of business (those trawlers are expensive). Tugg, the place that leases the space now; has insurance for this. I don't see these cases as dissimilar. [0]: https://goo.gl/maps/E2XraNA9Yxx9mic7A https://goo.gl/maps/E2XraNA9Yxx9mic7A
- belorn 4y ago
  Insurance would work if the e-scooter companies paid for it. You can't however use a trawler as that would be counter-productive if the concern is ecological damage, so it would need to be commercial divers which is quite expensive when dealing with low visibility canals. The insurance premium would likely be quite high. The companies can naturally try go after the criminals in order to recover the costs. The two issues are however related. Commercial operations need to pay external costs imposed on the city from commercial activity, be that parking issues or water pollution. If companies refuse to do so it will be up to the citizen to decide if they want those costs be paid through taxes, or issue regulations that may force those companies to go out of business. Either way someone will have to pay for cleanup. Right now no one is doing that in Malmö and other Swedish cities, which is not sustainable.

by belorn 4y ago

dijit 4y ago

Sure, but I think people throwing loose things into the canal is perhaps unrelated to the points raised in TFA, by the parent or even by me. If you want to talk about this topic in particular: a similar situation happened where people kept throwing outdoor chairs into the canal from Biraria (a restaurant located near the canal in Malmo)[0], the municipality made them pay for it and it sent them out of business (those trawlers are expensive). Tugg, the place that leases the space now; has insurance for this. I don't see these cases as dissimilar. [0]: https://goo.gl/maps/E2XraNA9Yxx9mic7A https://goo.gl/maps/E2XraNA9Yxx9mic7A

belorn 4y ago
Insurance would work if the e-scooter companies paid for it. You can't however use a trawler as that would be counter-productive if the concern is ecological damage, so it would need to be commercial divers which is quite expensive when dealing with low visibility canals. The insurance premium would likely be quite high. The companies can naturally try go after the criminals in order to recover the costs. The two issues are however related. Commercial operations need to pay external costs imposed on the city from commercial activity, be that parking issues or water pollution. If companies refuse to do so it will be up to the citizen to decide if they want those costs be paid through taxes, or issue regulations that may force those companies to go out of business. Either way someone will have to pay for cleanup. Right now no one is doing that in Malmö and other Swedish cities, which is not sustainable.