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They simply need to reduce prices if they wish to see more sales. The economic slump means people have tightened their wallets.

JKCalhoun 4y ago
A lot of finger-pointing at price in this thread (or how the M1 captured new MacBook sales) but I would be more worried about the segment in general. I think we've all seen a trend among users away from general-purpose PC's and toward phones and/or tablets. My bigger fear is that the rest of us, like some kind of ham radio enthusiasts, are going to become a dwindling market segment that fewer and fewer computer companies will continue to produce for.
- Sakos 4y ago
  PC and laptop sales exploded during the pandemic. It's clear that these devices absolutely have their place and aren't going anywhere. I know it's popular to be contrarian, but sometimes the obvious answer actually is the answer. When you're facing double digit inflation in much of Europe and the Euro is falling against the USD, a 1650 Euro price tag for an entry level device simply isn't realistic.
  - ricardobayes 4y ago
    At the same time it might be better to buy it now as it might be 1800 next year, if it's corrected with inflation.
  - saurik 4y ago
    Isn't the euro currently gaining on the dollar? It was heavily down last year, but except for a small recovery--which is mostly already gone again--the chart I was just looking at shows the dollar falling, not the euro...
    - Sakos 4y ago
      https://www.ecb.europa.eu/stats/policy_and_exchange_rates/euro_reference_exchange_rates/html/eurofxref-graph-usd.en.html https://www.ecb.europa.eu/stats/policy_and_exchange_rates/eu... Seems to be going up again in value, but prices are sticky. MSRPs made when the it was down to 1:0.9 (USD:EURO) are probably gonna be permanent. PS5 was hiked up to 550 Euros. Even if Euro goes up again, Sony's just going to pocket the difference and move on with their lives.
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- pjmlp 4y ago
  PC were the only home computers that weren't closed down like 8 and 16 micros, and only due to IBM's failure to keep it closed. What is happening are OEMs fighting to get the margins back from those days, and most people besides enthusiasts don't care.
- brnewd 4y ago
  This is probably not far off. I regularly do software development on my Samsung phone using Samsung Dex plugged to a monitor. Sometimes even without a monitor, just a wireless keyboard and mouse.
- dukeyukey 4y ago
  For media consumption (aside from games) I can see that happening, but with the sheer amount of _work_ that gets done on laptops and desktop I can't see them disappearing, or really even dwindling.
- ducknalddon 4y ago
  I'd welcome that. The broader the market for PC's the more dumbed down they become. I'd be happy to see a bifurcation into dumb terminals for most people and workstations for the power users.

JKCalhoun 4y ago

A lot of finger-pointing at price in this thread (or how the M1 captured new MacBook sales) but I would be more worried about the segment in general. I think we've all seen a trend among users away from general-purpose PC's and toward phones and/or tablets. My bigger fear is that the rest of us, like some kind of ham radio enthusiasts, are going to become a dwindling market segment that fewer and fewer computer companies will continue to produce for.

Sakos 4y ago
PC and laptop sales exploded during the pandemic. It's clear that these devices absolutely have their place and aren't going anywhere. I know it's popular to be contrarian, but sometimes the obvious answer actually is the answer. When you're facing double digit inflation in much of Europe and the Euro is falling against the USD, a 1650 Euro price tag for an entry level device simply isn't realistic.
- ricardobayes 4y ago
  At the same time it might be better to buy it now as it might be 1800 next year, if it's corrected with inflation.
- saurik 4y ago
  Isn't the euro currently gaining on the dollar? It was heavily down last year, but except for a small recovery--which is mostly already gone again--the chart I was just looking at shows the dollar falling, not the euro...
  - Sakos 4y ago
    https://www.ecb.europa.eu/stats/policy_and_exchange_rates/euro_reference_exchange_rates/html/eurofxref-graph-usd.en.html https://www.ecb.europa.eu/stats/policy_and_exchange_rates/eu... Seems to be going up again in value, but prices are sticky. MSRPs made when the it was down to 1:0.9 (USD:EURO) are probably gonna be permanent. PS5 was hiked up to 550 Euros. Even if Euro goes up again, Sony's just going to pocket the difference and move on with their lives.
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pjmlp 4y ago
PC were the only home computers that weren't closed down like 8 and 16 micros, and only due to IBM's failure to keep it closed. What is happening are OEMs fighting to get the margins back from those days, and most people besides enthusiasts don't care.
brnewd 4y ago
This is probably not far off. I regularly do software development on my Samsung phone using Samsung Dex plugged to a monitor. Sometimes even without a monitor, just a wireless keyboard and mouse.
dukeyukey 4y ago
For media consumption (aside from games) I can see that happening, but with the sheer amount of _work_ that gets done on laptops and desktop I can't see them disappearing, or really even dwindling.
ducknalddon 4y ago
I'd welcome that. The broader the market for PC's the more dumbed down they become. I'd be happy to see a bifurcation into dumb terminals for most people and workstations for the power users.