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M1 generation was so good that it prompted way more users to jump to it; that demand would spread over multiple generations if it was not so good. On the other

M1 generation was so good that it prompted way more users to jump to it; that demand would spread over multiple generations if it was not so good. On the other hand purposefully gimping M1 would gimp ARM adoption. By delivering great performance, they've build up a lot of goodwill - people willingly port their stuff to macs.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
I'm on an M1 MacBook Pro, and had to check settings to remember it's almost three years old. Zero issues, performs wonderfully, probably going to keep for at least another two.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  Also using the 2020 M1 as a work laptop. If you stuck the internals in to the new case and told me its the 2023 model, I wouldn't notice it wasn't brand new.
- brnewd 4y ago
  I'm on an Acer 16GB/1TB laptop from 2015 that runs as smooth as day one (Ubuntu). I think the workload just hasn't increased much except for gaming and some niches like GPU workloads.
- oofta-boofta 4y ago
  Same, bought an M1 16" MBP w/the Max chip, basically all the best specs. Unless there's a titanic shift in performance I probably won't be buying any new laptops for a while.
- bloqs 4y ago
  My M1 Macbook pro is exactly the same, it's probably the best computer I have ever had (but younger me that tinkered more probably hates me for it)
- bombcar 4y ago
  The only downside for me with the original M1 was the lack of external monitor support like the previous Pro had. That’s been fixed with the M1 Max.
  - wildrhythms 4y ago
    Can you be more specific? I dock my M1 Air to a 4k display all the time.
    - bombcar 4y ago
      Dock it to two - the M1 can only handle one external display; the previous Intel MacBook Pros could do four; and the M1 Max brings this back. I have four external monitors + the internal and the M1 couldn't do it; the M1 Max can so I held out. (You can do a hacky thing with DisplayLink adapters that emulate a virtual screen somehow but it IS hacky - https://support.displaylink.com/knowledgebase/articles/1916602 https://support.displaylink.com/knowledgebase/articles/19166... )
- hardware2win 4y ago
  Uh, but it should be or is the norm? Which laptop or pc is dying after 3 years?
avidphantasm 4y ago
Yes, I did this. I had a 2019 16” i9 that I replaced with a 14” M1 Pro as soon as I could because the Intel/T2 TouchBar machine was so crash prone, glitchy, and hot. The i9 was the worst Mac I’ve ever had. The M1 Pro is probably the best.
- avidphantasm 4y ago
  And I’ve actually considered upgrading to an M2 Max as I kind of regret only getting 32 GB of RAM in the M1 Pro. However, the trade-in price from Apple is too low.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    Apple trade in values are always low. Look around for other options or consider selling directly to someone.
    - avidphantasm 4y ago
      Yeah, if I had an older machine I would. The advantage of a direct trade is no downtime. Apple trades have worked well enough for me in the past, but I wouldn’t benefit from the new machine enough to take the lower price.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  > because the Intel/T2 TouchBar machine was so crash prone, glitchy, and hot. The i9 was the worst Mac I’ve ever had. I'm running the same machine, but for me it's the best Mac I ever had. Decent keyboard very similar to my prior 2015 MBP, larger screen while at the same time keeping the exterior footprint of the 2015, it can run virtually everything you throw at it (sans 32-bit legacy games, but not because of the hardware), and if you remember to restart MS Teams after a videocall (because Teams "hogs" the external GPU and doesn't release it after a video/screenshare call ends) the battery lasts hours, even after three years of extremely intensive abuse. The only (but massive) issue I have with all post-2013 MacBooks is that their storage cannot be easily recovered in another machine in a disaster event, and with the 2019ff it is completely impossible "thanks" to Apple soldering the flash chips and locking the encryption keys in the T2 processor - without TimeMachine and an expensive NAS you're completely and utterly fucked. Switching to an M-series Mac would provide me with even longer battery life and probably a notch better performance with IntelliJ, but that's it - I'd have to give up on running x86 Docker images which is a real problem as a lot of third party images don't provide ARM images.
gorjusborg 4y ago
What you say is true, but I'd also add that the market for an amd64(yeah you heard me Intel)-incompatible developer machine is currently limited. The people who can develop on ARM have moved, while a good chunk of the rest can't even if they wanted to. That might be different in the future, but it's the reality today.
p0nce 4y ago
M1 was good but macOS is more and more insufferable and buggy.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

I'm on an M1 MacBook Pro, and had to check settings to remember it's almost three years old. Zero issues, performs wonderfully, probably going to keep for at least another two.

Gigachad 4y ago
Also using the 2020 M1 as a work laptop. If you stuck the internals in to the new case and told me its the 2023 model, I wouldn't notice it wasn't brand new.
brnewd 4y ago
I'm on an Acer 16GB/1TB laptop from 2015 that runs as smooth as day one (Ubuntu). I think the workload just hasn't increased much except for gaming and some niches like GPU workloads.
oofta-boofta 4y ago
Same, bought an M1 16" MBP w/the Max chip, basically all the best specs. Unless there's a titanic shift in performance I probably won't be buying any new laptops for a while.
bloqs 4y ago
My M1 Macbook pro is exactly the same, it's probably the best computer I have ever had (but younger me that tinkered more probably hates me for it)
bombcar 4y ago
The only downside for me with the original M1 was the lack of external monitor support like the previous Pro had. That’s been fixed with the M1 Max.
- wildrhythms 4y ago
  Can you be more specific? I dock my M1 Air to a 4k display all the time.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    Dock it to two - the M1 can only handle one external display; the previous Intel MacBook Pros could do four; and the M1 Max brings this back. I have four external monitors + the internal and the M1 couldn't do it; the M1 Max can so I held out. (You can do a hacky thing with DisplayLink adapters that emulate a virtual screen somehow but it IS hacky - https://support.displaylink.com/knowledgebase/articles/1916602 https://support.displaylink.com/knowledgebase/articles/19166... )
hardware2win 4y ago
Uh, but it should be or is the norm? Which laptop or pc is dying after 3 years?

avidphantasm 4y ago

Yes, I did this. I had a 2019 16” i9 that I replaced with a 14” M1 Pro as soon as I could because the Intel/T2 TouchBar machine was so crash prone, glitchy, and hot. The i9 was the worst Mac I’ve ever had. The M1 Pro is probably the best.

avidphantasm 4y ago
And I’ve actually considered upgrading to an M2 Max as I kind of regret only getting 32 GB of RAM in the M1 Pro. However, the trade-in price from Apple is too low.
- bombcar 4y ago
  Apple trade in values are always low. Look around for other options or consider selling directly to someone.
  - avidphantasm 4y ago
    Yeah, if I had an older machine I would. The advantage of a direct trade is no downtime. Apple trades have worked well enough for me in the past, but I wouldn’t benefit from the new machine enough to take the lower price.
mschuster91 4y ago
> because the Intel/T2 TouchBar machine was so crash prone, glitchy, and hot. The i9 was the worst Mac I’ve ever had. I'm running the same machine, but for me it's the best Mac I ever had. Decent keyboard very similar to my prior 2015 MBP, larger screen while at the same time keeping the exterior footprint of the 2015, it can run virtually everything you throw at it (sans 32-bit legacy games, but not because of the hardware), and if you remember to restart MS Teams after a videocall (because Teams "hogs" the external GPU and doesn't release it after a video/screenshare call ends) the battery lasts hours, even after three years of extremely intensive abuse. The only (but massive) issue I have with all post-2013 MacBooks is that their storage cannot be easily recovered in another machine in a disaster event, and with the 2019ff it is completely impossible "thanks" to Apple soldering the flash chips and locking the encryption keys in the T2 processor - without TimeMachine and an expensive NAS you're completely and utterly fucked. Switching to an M-series Mac would provide me with even longer battery life and probably a notch better performance with IntelliJ, but that's it - I'd have to give up on running x86 Docker images which is a real problem as a lot of third party images don't provide ARM images.

gorjusborg 4y ago

What you say is true, but I'd also add that the market for an amd64(yeah you heard me Intel)-incompatible developer machine is currently limited. The people who can develop on ARM have moved, while a good chunk of the rest can't even if they wanted to. That might be different in the future, but it's the reality today.

p0nce 4y ago

M1 was good but macOS is more and more insufferable and buggy.