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Baseline models are relatively affordable but they charge about 5x more for memory and storage than the prices of corresponding PC parts. That's been their tri

by tpmx 4y ago

Baseline models are relatively affordable but they charge about 5x more for memory and storage than the prices of corresponding PC parts. That's been their trick for decades but it seems like the multiplier has been getting higher lately? $800 + tax for a 2TB SSD is insane.

xvello 4y ago
> seems like the multiplier has been getting higher lately The SSD now being soldered to the system board has of course ZERO correlation with that price gouging.
samhuk 4y ago
I remember buying a Macbook Pro a long time ago (I want to say around 6 years ago? Back in the dark Ive days...) and I can relatively confidently say that it's always been approximately this bad. Inflation plus mental factors are likely the trick that's playing on some folk's mind. They always charged e.g. 200$ for memory increments and 400$/800$ for storage increments, IIRC.
- gambiting 4y ago
  TBF Dell is equally as bad if not worse. A 128GB ram upgrade on my Precision 7670 has been £1800. It's insane.
  - dandy23 4y ago
    For a Dell you can buy that RAM from anywhere.
    - gambiting 4y ago
      Except you can't because their new precision workstations use their own new proprietary format. You can only buy it from Dell. They said they will make a SO-DIMM adapter but it doesn't support 128GB.
- masklinn 4y ago
  The Apple tax on ram and storage has always been ridiculous, but a long long time ago in a galaxy far away you could use aftermarket RAM and drives, and batteries even used to be removable (and give easy access to RAM and drive, on the old polycarbonate macbooks). On my 2010 I could even replace the DVD drive by an aftermarket drive caddy. With soldered ram and drives, Apple’s the only game in town, and that means the Apple tax is a lot dearer.
  - germinalphrase 4y ago
    "The Apple tax on ram and storage has always been ridiculous, but a long long time ago in a galaxy far away you could use aftermarket RAM and drives, and batteries even used to be removable (and give easy access to RAM and drive, on the old polycarbonate macbooks). On my 2010 I could even replace the DVD drive by an aftermarket drive caddy." Those were the good days. I loved dropping dual SSDs and additional RAM in my MBP. I harvested guts from broken ones off craigslist and kept it going for about 13 years before it finally kicked out.
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    I’m agreeing with you on the absurdity now; this weekend though, I happened to click through to a video of a guy who upgraded the RAM on a MacBook Air. The video title isn’t clickbait; he did it successfully, but it was a pretty advanced project (as in "let me put the circuit board on my rework preheater to get started") https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxbVxaScZQ4 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxbVxaScZQ4
  - zarzavat 4y ago
    Software also uses a lot more RAM than it did 10 years ago. 10 years ago I lived easily inside 8GB with all native apps. Nowadays I have 16GB and I’m constantly running into swap. That’s without running any demanding workloads. Granted the swap is a lot faster with modern SSDs, but it’s not good for the drive. Apple thinks that anyone who needs more than 16GB of RAM is a professional color grader or audio producer or something. But I just want to run Discord.
Hamuko 4y ago
The base prices have also gone up. Base M1 MacBook Air was about 1100€ new and could even be found for pretty good discounts (I bought one new for 880€). But the base M2 MacBook Air is 1400€.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  Is the M1 Air still being sold? It still is in the US. If so, at what price? That is the relevant figure to compare. In the US, M1 Air is 8GB/256GB for $1,000 and 16GB/512GB for $1,400. I think those are the same prices from original release. And so due to decreasing purchasing power of USD since 2020, they have gotten cheaper. Edit: yes, the M1 Air has the same nominal price as when it was released 2.5 years ago: https://9to5mac.com/2020/11/10/new-macbook-air-apple-silicon/ https://9to5mac.com/2020/11/10/new-macbook-air-apple-silicon...
  - Hamuko 4y ago
    Yeah, it's still being sold. A couple of sites have it discounted at 999€ with normal price of 1159€ on the rest.
JustSomeNobody 4y ago
Because they have almost nothing else to differentiate prices on for the various models.

by tpmx 4y ago

xvello 4y ago

> seems like the multiplier has been getting higher lately The SSD now being soldered to the system board has of course ZERO correlation with that price gouging.

samhuk 4y ago

I remember buying a Macbook Pro a long time ago (I want to say around 6 years ago? Back in the dark Ive days...) and I can relatively confidently say that it's always been approximately this bad. Inflation plus mental factors are likely the trick that's playing on some folk's mind. They always charged e.g. 200$ for memory increments and 400$/800$ for storage increments, IIRC.

gambiting 4y ago
TBF Dell is equally as bad if not worse. A 128GB ram upgrade on my Precision 7670 has been £1800. It's insane.
- dandy23 4y ago
  For a Dell you can buy that RAM from anywhere.
  - gambiting 4y ago
    Except you can't because their new precision workstations use their own new proprietary format. You can only buy it from Dell. They said they will make a SO-DIMM adapter but it doesn't support 128GB.
masklinn 4y ago
The Apple tax on ram and storage has always been ridiculous, but a long long time ago in a galaxy far away you could use aftermarket RAM and drives, and batteries even used to be removable (and give easy access to RAM and drive, on the old polycarbonate macbooks). On my 2010 I could even replace the DVD drive by an aftermarket drive caddy. With soldered ram and drives, Apple’s the only game in town, and that means the Apple tax is a lot dearer.
- germinalphrase 4y ago
  "The Apple tax on ram and storage has always been ridiculous, but a long long time ago in a galaxy far away you could use aftermarket RAM and drives, and batteries even used to be removable (and give easy access to RAM and drive, on the old polycarbonate macbooks). On my 2010 I could even replace the DVD drive by an aftermarket drive caddy." Those were the good days. I loved dropping dual SSDs and additional RAM in my MBP. I harvested guts from broken ones off craigslist and kept it going for about 13 years before it finally kicked out.
- sokoloff 4y ago
  I’m agreeing with you on the absurdity now; this weekend though, I happened to click through to a video of a guy who upgraded the RAM on a MacBook Air. The video title isn’t clickbait; he did it successfully, but it was a pretty advanced project (as in "let me put the circuit board on my rework preheater to get started") https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxbVxaScZQ4 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxbVxaScZQ4
- zarzavat 4y ago
  Software also uses a lot more RAM than it did 10 years ago. 10 years ago I lived easily inside 8GB with all native apps. Nowadays I have 16GB and I’m constantly running into swap. That’s without running any demanding workloads. Granted the swap is a lot faster with modern SSDs, but it’s not good for the drive. Apple thinks that anyone who needs more than 16GB of RAM is a professional color grader or audio producer or something. But I just want to run Discord.

Hamuko 4y ago

The base prices have also gone up. Base M1 MacBook Air was about 1100€ new and could even be found for pretty good discounts (I bought one new for 880€). But the base M2 MacBook Air is 1400€.

lotsofpulp 4y ago
Is the M1 Air still being sold? It still is in the US. If so, at what price? That is the relevant figure to compare. In the US, M1 Air is 8GB/256GB for $1,000 and 16GB/512GB for $1,400. I think those are the same prices from original release. And so due to decreasing purchasing power of USD since 2020, they have gotten cheaper. Edit: yes, the M1 Air has the same nominal price as when it was released 2.5 years ago: https://9to5mac.com/2020/11/10/new-macbook-air-apple-silicon/ https://9to5mac.com/2020/11/10/new-macbook-air-apple-silicon...
- Hamuko 4y ago
  Yeah, it's still being sold. A couple of sites have it discounted at 999€ with normal price of 1159€ on the rest.

JustSomeNobody 4y ago

Because they have almost nothing else to differentiate prices on for the various models.